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Old 05-14-2020, 05:41 AM
 
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You have to remember these differences between local roads state roads and federal roads. With respect to the relationship between the state and local governments that is what's called the chapter 90 fund which provide compensation for local towns to do maintenance on state roads. The methodology for funding is based on employment and the amount of driving that is conducted. This unfortunately provides for incentives for areas that are growing in disincentives for those that are not growing. This is why Franklin County, Berkshire County and the Cape generally have bad roads.

in higher populated areas you have more water lines, sewer lines, telecommunication lines and energy lines. Rhodes also require a fair amount of engineering between the weight of the vehicle line of sight angles of light it dissolve become significant factors in the way how roads are built. Built environment aspects including say sidewalks and public lighting can add for additional requirements. Then you add in what's actually on the road itself whether or not you allow for passing whether there is a no parking area, a fire lane, cross walk etc.

I wouldn't say that roads acquire the same amount of Maintenance as a building but there's quite a bit more that's not controllable due to traffic and weather.

That concrete issue in Connecticut also has ramifications and some communities in Western and Central Mass. I know that in this Connecticut town of Coventry there is a very small bit of road which cost millions to fix due to this
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Old 05-14-2020, 05:54 AM
 
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If anything, it would be nice if they could get all road work out of the way now while traffic is light.
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:04 AM
 
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....and MA is typically near the top of of state lists for cost of highway repair, and near the bottom for highway condition. I know, densely populated, freeze/thaw cycles, etc. .....but still

Good thing roadwork still uses police details and not just flagmen, like everywhere else
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Central Mass
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If anything, it would be nice if they could get all road work out of the way now while traffic is light.
The progress on Kelley Square has been great
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Old 05-14-2020, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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If anything, it would be nice if they could get all road work out of the way now while traffic is light.
They had to run a water main through the only road connecting my house to my daughter's school. Didn't even notice them working. Dodged a bullet there.
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Old 05-14-2020, 10:23 AM
 
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....and MA is typically near the top of of state lists for cost of highway repair, and near the bottom for highway condition. I know, densely populated, freeze/thaw cycles, etc. .....but still

Good thing roadwork still uses police details and not just flagmen, like everywhere else
I know right? The flashing blue lights turns traffic into a standstill on both sides of the highway! The police officer gets paid $75+/hr to stand there. Our tax dollars at work...

If there's road construction in California, they just use traffic cones and traffic moves as usual in the other lanes. No flashing blue lights to create rush hour traffic.
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Old 05-14-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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I know right? The flashing blue lights turns traffic into a standstill on both sides of the highway! The police officer gets paid $75+/hr to stand there. Our tax dollars at work...
I usually made our $75+hr detail go get us coffee

Just kidding. It's not like that at all. Having actually done road construction and found myself in a closed left lane of a highway many many times, I will say that I prefer there to be traffic and heaps of it. When speeds creep up, that's when danger starts to happen. We've frequently had cars drift into the cone setup and take out 5-6 cones before they figure it out. Usually there aren't any workers there...once in a while, there was. I've seen someone hit.

When traffic speeds start creeping up, I've asked the officer to run radar (not on the highway). That slows traffic right down and then we can focus on our work vs looking over our shoulders to see if someone texting isn't about to slam into us at 45MPH.

But these days...i'm part of the crowd shaking my fist at them too...and I know better.
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Old 05-14-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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93, 95, 290, route 3. You've never driven on the highway in the summer? There's always lanes closed. You get to the construction zone and drop down a few inches then it's an obstacle course to dodge manholes. It looks like a freshly groomed ski trail except it's concrete. When you exit the construction zone you hit a huge bump that destroys your shocks. They do this all over the local roads too.
All the time. What sections of those roads have they paved TWICE over the past few years??? I'm very familiar with a couple off those routes, and I am sitting here scratching my head.
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Old 05-15-2020, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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If anything, it would be nice if they could get all road work out of the way now while traffic is light.
+1 on that
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Old 05-16-2020, 03:33 PM
 
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Prevailing wages, Massdot pre-qualification and police details can add up.

Don't forget about underground storage tanks in the middle of a job. If you want to get a sense of how much is underground go to a place where it isn't. Western NY has *everything* above.
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