Most North “hood” in the northeast (Boston, Worcester: apartment, crime)

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Lampert

I think that's a completely separate question. I know OP asked about that too but that is not what people are talking about.
Especially because that is often in comparison to the rest of the surrounding area. I am sure Portland has areas that are considered ghetto by locals, probably Burlington too.

IDK about Burlington, but Portland does have neighborhoods you wouldn't want to be walking through after dark. Manchester has a small section or two you wouldn't want to be walking through in daylight hours.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by massnative71

IDK about Burlington, but Portland does have neighborhoods you wouldn't want to be walking through after dark. Manchester has a small section or two you wouldn't want to be walking through in daylight hours.

I am sure. My point is that the question "what is the northmost city with at least a bad neighborhood" = "what is the northmost city with at least..30k? people living in it?" (as in, any city above a certain population will have a bad neighborhood). Not very informative imho.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Once again, he clarified his post to include "I’m also thinking about cities with bad high crime areas in mostly good cities.". Boston and Worcester both easily fall under that categorization. Lawrence is further north, however.

By looser definition then cities like Rochester or Buffalo are arguably shortlisted, as suggested by Missionhill. I don’t really consider Buffalo ‘hood’, but it’s violent crime and poverty data is quite bad ... worse than Lawrence.

Having spent a fair amount of time in Balt/DC and a dismal corporate tour of Midwest and southern cities for user research, I have a really hard time calling any city north of NJ ‘hood’. Lawrence comes close, but doesn’t have that ingrained and overt culture (for lack of a better term) like you’ll see in other parts of the country. The displays of criminality are not nearly as flagrant in the NNE.

In my years in MA, I’ve seen the occasional concealed handgun (through clothing), but if you’re outside that community things are generally low-key and not of your concern. In other parts of the country whether someone is carrying or not very much IS your immediate concern and/or the criminality is on full display.

[gf2020]

Berlin, NH

Millinocket, ME

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by gf2020

Berlin, NH

Millinocket, ME

Never been to Berlin. But Millinocket???

[BostonBornMassMade]

hes looking for hoods, not etntire hood cities. But I just wouldn't really call anything in NNE the hood-i really wouldn't, not in any type of comprehensive way. Maybe a little part of Manchester?

The northernmost legitimate hoods in the northeast are definitely Buffalo Syracuse Rochester Albany Lawrence and Lowell (maybe Methuen/Haverhill? Maybe idk?). Like a city where you can be somewhere on the phone and say "where you at? I'm in the hood" and not get laughed at.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

By looser definition then cities like Rochester or Buffalo are arguably shortlisted, as suggested by Missionhill. I don’t really consider Buffalo ‘hood’, but it’s violent crime and poverty data is quite bad ... worse than Lawrence.

Having spent a fair amount of time in Balt/DC and a dismal corporate tour of Midwest and southern cities for user research, I have a really hard time calling any city north of NJ ‘hood’. Lawrence comes close, but doesn’t have that ingrained and overt culture (for lack of a better term) like you’ll see in other parts of the country. The displays of criminality are not nearly as flagrant in the NNE.

In my years in MA, I’ve seen the occasional concealed handgun (through clothing), but if you’re outside that community things are generally low-key and not of your concern. In other parts of the country whether someone is carrying or not very much IS your immediate concern and/or the criminality is on full display.

Naw i agree with none of this. Is Buffalo not hood?? Lawrence not hood??? Springfield not hood?

Lawrence's entire culture is openly an unabashedly hood save for a small part of South Lawrence.

Nothing north of NJ? Bridgeport Hartford Central Falls? the Bronx? Grove Hall? Much of inner-city Worcester?

Thats all super hood. Im typing this from the Eastside of Baltimore. No its not Baltimore but...not that many places are.

You've got some hell of a pair of blinders on.

"that community" =the hood

I think you've got familiarity biased based of the physical environment.

I was surprised by how I had friends from Chicago who were aghast at the intersection of Blue Hill Ave and Morton Street. They thought the houses looked rickety, crowded and ugly. Hated the lack of a grid and they thought the residents looked disheveled and impoverished, with undone hair and low quality clothes- particularly in Dorchester side streets. They were really clear and explicit about it. But they did say they thought Roxbury near Warren Street was beautiful.

My wife who is from Maplewood just by Irvington NJ says that Boston is "crusty/dusty and urban" or "it looks like the 80s". When she describes where I was from to her friend she said "____is from Newark basically, or like East Orange". I don't see it that way but she says it's because I'm from there.

I think you're more comfortable with the wooden vernacular of the far north.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Never been to Berlin. But Millinocket???

Berlin is equally off base. I’m sure it has its social issues, as one expects from any low opportunity rural area, but to suggest either are ‘hood’ is a rather odd stretch.

No one is confusing Berlin’s Jericho ATV ‘Block Party’ for SoBe’s ‘Urban Beach Week’.

[DonaldJTrump]

rochester NY seems like a good candidate. is that norther than every hood mentioned so far?

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by DonaldJTrump

rochester NY seems like a good candidate. is that norther than every hood mentioned so far?

Yep, Buffalo and Lawrence are nearly identical latitudes. Rochester and Syracuse are just slightly north