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Mmm, not true, in Mexico there are many supporters of Death Penalty, but the Mexican political class make impossible to add changes to laws.
Now about tolerance, man, you must ask non-catholics in south east of the country about this.
There are also long-standing cultural attributes that can be used to measure such things. Mexico abolished slavery a half a century before the USA did, and in fact the Americans went and took much of Mexico, for the specific purpose of restoring slavery to it. The Republic of Texas was the last country in the world to legalize Slavery where it was already prohibited.
EVERY country in Latin America has abolished capital punishment, so it is hard for me to believe that Mexicans, somehow, are in favor of it.
Until 1992, Mexico's Constitution had almost the strictest anti-religion laws in the world, banning all religious education in all schools and placing all churches under state ownership. These laws have been softened, but not abolished, in the past 20 years.
In fact, in 1932, Pope Pius XI issued an encyclical to denounce the broadminded and secular constitution of Mexico.
Doesn't the U.S. lead the world in serial killers? We've had serial killers who have disposed of more than 80 bodies.
One has to remmeber that it was not too long ago there wre no serial killers;because it was not recognised. there are mnay thigns that can lead to inaccurate crime stats. what mnay fear si that Mexico is becomig like Colunbia with its drug industry. The opion o mexicos corruption is centuries old.
There are also long-standing cultural attributes that can be used to measure such things. Mexico abolished slavery a half a century before the USA did, and in fact the Americans went and took much of Mexico, for the specific purpose of restoring slavery to it. The Republic of Texas was the last country in the world to legalize Slavery where it was already prohibited.
EVERY country in Latin America has abolished capital punishment, so it is hard for me to believe that Mexicans, somehow, are in favor of it.
Until 1992, Mexico's Constitution had almost the strictest anti-religion laws in the world, banning all religious education in all schools and placing all churches under state ownership. These laws have been softened, but not abolished, in the past 20 years.
In fact, in 1932, Pope Pius XI issued an encyclical to denounce the broadminded and secular constitution of Mexico.
So what, time and people changes, at this time many of the laws must be changed and corruption eradicated.
One has to remmeber that it was not too long ago there wre no serial killers;because it was not recognised. there are mnay thigns that can lead to inaccurate crime stats. what mnay fear si that Mexico is becomig like Colunbia with its drug industry. The opion o mexicos corruption is centuries old.
Because law enforcement didn't admit there were serial killers, therefore they didn't exist. Is this like, "If a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound?"
There were serial killers whether anyone admitted it or not.
Mexico like any country without a strong Freedom of Speech in its Constitution has political corruption. In Mexico if a reporter prints the truth about a corrupt politician, the reporter can be arrested and imprisoned for Libel. Some states have changed the libel and slander laws in the last couple of years to similar laws like those in the US and Canada which make it civil, not criminal, and the truth is a defense but many MX states still make libel and slander a criminal offense and truth is not a defense. Holding a politician up to embarrassment and public ridicule is the basis of libel and slander, not whether it is truthful or not.
If Mexico had a strong Freedom of Speech amendment, and reporters were protected like up North, there would be far less corruption.
Mmm, not true, in Mexico there are many supporters of Death Penalty, but the Mexican political class make impossible to add changes to laws.
Now about tolerance, man, you must ask non-catholics in south east of the country about this.
The only information I found about religion in southeastern Mexico was the Church accused of instigating rebellion.
There might be supporters of the Death Penalty but the Cartels aren't running the place yet, plus they already practice the Death Penalty. The DP hasn't worked in the U.S. so why push it on Mexico? Why do you think most countries have dropped it? It doesn't stop crime, never has, never will.
I did find where Juarez tried to stop religious brain washing and I guess he thought school should be for learning facts, not mythology. Now if the U.S. could join the civilized world in education.
Between 1833 and the early 1840s, the Mexican government produced various pieces of legislation to limit the power of the church. In 1833 the government adopted several anticlerical measures, including one providing for the secularization of education and another declaring that the payment of the ecclesiastical tithe was not a civil obligation.
The first major confrontation between the church and the state occurred during the presidency of Benito Juárez (1855-72). The 1855 Juárez Law drastically reduced traditional ecclesiastical privileges. On March 11, 1857, a new constitution was adopted that denied all ecclesiastical entities the right to own real estate and abolished most remaining ecclesiastical privileges. On July 12, 1857, Juárez confiscated all church properties, suppressed all religious orders, and empowered the state governors to designate what buildings could be used for religious services. Mexico's first religious civil war was fought between 1857 and 1860 in reaction to the legislation (see Civil War and the French Intervention, ch. 1).
The constitution of 1917 highlighted and institutionalized many of the nineteenth-century secular reforms. The new constitution included at least five articles that affected all religious groups, regardless of denomination. These articles, which remained in effect until 1992, appeared to preclude any national role for the Roman Catholic Church. Article 3 forbade churches from participating in primary and secondary education. Article 5 prohibited the establishment of religious orders. Article 24 mandated that all religious ceremonies occur within church buildings. Article 27 gave the state ownership of all church buildings.
Chiapas:
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The Salinas administration's 1991 proposal to remove all constitutional restrictions on the Roman Catholic Church, recommendations approved by the legislature the following year, allowed for a more realistic church-state relationship. At the same time, however, tensions remained in the relationship, particularly in southern Mexico in general and in Chiapas in particular. Local government and PRI officials and ranchers accused the Bishop of San Cristóbal de las Casas of having supported the rebellion that began in Chiapas in 1994, a charge that the bishop denied. Federal soldiers repeatedly searched diocesan churches in their pursuit of the rebels. The government also expelled foreign clergy who were accused of inciting violence and land seizures. In addition, the Vatican accused the San Cristóbal prelate of theological and pastoral distortions and named a coadjutor (successor) bishop for the diocese in the mid-1990s. For their part, the rebels insisted that the bishop continue to serve as mediator in their negotiations with the federal government.
So what, time and people changes, at this time many of the laws must be changed and corruption eradicated.
I bet you are in favor of capital punishment, right? And when you want capital punishment, you come here and tell us everybody does, everywhere in the world.
When the Mexican people believe they need to add capital punishment to their laws, or allow a single religion to have the power to exert authority over others, they will recognize that and elect people to make the necessary changes. Capital Punishment was officially abolsihed, by law, in Mexico in 2005. And you say they have had a change of heart in the past 6 years, and now want to reinstitute it again?
In the past 500 years or so, how many Mexicans have been put to death by religious people with the authority to kill them? Most Mexicans probably think the Papal Conquistadors have done enough killing. The slaughter of human beings is not an amusing aside to people who have been on the losing side, no matter how much fun the privileged elite think it is.
If you think people ought to be killed, go ahead and kill them. But don't try to drag the rest of us along to your party.
Mexico like any country without a strong Freedom of Speech in its Constitution has political corruption. In Mexico if a reporter prints the truth about a corrupt politician, the reporter can be arrested and imprisoned for Libel. Some states have changed the libel and slander laws in the last couple of years to similar laws like those in the US and Canada which make it civil, not criminal, and the truth is a defense but many MX states still make libel and slander a criminal offense and truth is not a defense. Holding a politician up to embarrassment and public ridicule is the basis of libel and slander, not whether it is truthful or not.
If Mexico had a strong Freedom of Speech amendment, and reporters were protected like up North, there would be far less corruption.
Finally, someone actually sees the light and is making sense. Congratulation for bring this to the forefront on what's really going on in Mexico.
I bet you are in favor of capital punishment, right? And when you want capital punishment, you come here and tell us everybody does, everywhere in the world.
Not at all, just a good percentage of mexican are in favor, and that can demonstrate easy every election time the subject is one of the flags of Green Party in Mexico.
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When the Mexican people believe they need to add capital punishment to their laws, or allow a single religion to have the power to exert authority over others, they will recognize that and elect people to make the necessary changes. Capital Punishment was officially abolsihed, by law, in Mexico in 2005. And you say they have had a change of heart in the past 6 years, and now want to reinstitute it again?
Exactly if you read spanish, go and read any online newspaper and then read every note posted by regular people below any note about drug dealers and you see a lot number of people is in fact in favor of killing them.
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In the past 500 years or so, how many Mexicans have been put to death by religious people with the authority to kill them? Most Mexicans probably think the Papal Conquistadors have done enough killing. The slaughter of human beings is not an amusing aside to people who have been on the losing side, no matter how much fun the privileged elite think it is.
If you think people ought to be killed, go ahead and kill them. But don't try to drag the rest of us along to your party.
You are ignorant, and mislead the point, but is ok, if you don't believe people in mexico are changing.
I found this to be interesting. It supports what some Mexicans have been saying about the so-called drug war, the USA apparently allows the drug cartel to operate - knows exactly where they are but it took the killing of the ICE agent for the US to do anything about them.
"This is personal," Louie Garcia, deputy special agent with ICE, said Thursday as authorities arrested more than 200 people in a nationwide sweep. "We lost an agent, we lost a good agent. And we have to respond."
It kind of makes ya mad that they allow these cartels full access and do nothing about them but I guess now they're going to teach them a lesson.
In operations in South Texas on Thursday, authorities recovered hand grenades, assault rifles and bulletproof vests.
Now they suddenly care to do anything? They didn't just discover this and track down these cartels working all over the USA. They've allowed them to do whatever the hell they wanted, but this time they overstepped. They killed an ICE agent but all the Mexican agents had to die and ho hum, the cartels didn't have any problem with their USA operations.
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