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Old 10-18-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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But slavery was very big in the Spanish colonies. The Spanish colonies received way more slaves than the British colonies and French colonies
Mexico had a significant number of African slaves during colonial times, most of the African-descended population got absorbed into the larger Mestizo (European/indigenous) population. Less than 1% of Mexico's population has significant African ancestry, and a large number of Afro-Mexicans are actually naturalized black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.

Race does not legally exist in Mexico. I believe it was abolished in the colonial period. In any case, census data can only ask questions about language spoken at home, and you are not asked to define your race.

Race is self-defining now in the USA, but it still exists legally. While "passing as white" was once illegal in the South if you had some African ancestry, you can now identify yourself as white, and you are legally white.
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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For the record:


UWEC geography 111 Vogeler - West African Slave Trade Map

Most of the slaves that were imported into the British and French Caribbean died within a decade after arrival due to the harsh treatment. That is why the British and French Caribbean imported considerably more slaves than did all of Spanish America, despite that the British and French Caribbean are a tiny fraction in cumulative land area compared to Spanish America or even Spanish Caribbean (in Cuba alone the entire Caribbean islands fit neatly while in Dominican Republic the territory of all the island countries including Haiti but excluding Cuba fit nicely in within its territory and there is still quite some amount of land left; this should give an idea how big the Spanish Caribbean truly is).
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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Here are a few other maps that shows the slave trade in different periods of time.


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Once again it becomes obvious that most slaves were imported into British, Portuguese, and French America. The arrows point to the geographical regions where each flow of slaves was directed, and this is important when noticing the Spanish slave flow.
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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As for Mexico, African slavery was not that big of an issue there either and most of the Africans that were introduced married into mostly Mestizo families and their descendants married into other mostly Mestizo families, etc.

Also, the only reason there is still a very visible African descended population in the USA is because of the racial segregation laws and the intense racism that existed for a very long time. Had that never taken place, most of the African descended population of the USA would had married into white and other types of families, and their descendants today would had been highly admixed and the USA population much more uniform in look, similar to what happened in Mexico except that in the USA the average look would be closer to white due to the white majority of the population (as recent as the 1960's, the white population made up well over 80% of the USA population).
Actually, slavery was in fact a very big issue for Mexico and in Mexico
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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Lastly, in this map we can see how many slaves were actually imported into Mexico and also into the Spanish Caribbean (notice that the circles for Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico are much smaller compared to Cuba's, but also that Puerto Rico's is bigger than the DR's, which corroborates what I've been saying and what is documented).


http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/ob...lave_Trade.GIF
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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Mexico had a significant number of African slaves during colonial times, most of the African-descended population got absorbed into the larger Mestizo (European/indigenous) population. Less than 1% of Mexico's population has significant African ancestry, and a large number of Afro-Mexicans are actually naturalized black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.

Race does not legally exist in Mexico. I believe it was abolished in the colonial period. In any case, census data can only ask questions about language spoken at home, and you are not asked to define your race.

Race is self-defining now in the USA, but it still exists legally. While "passing as white" was once illegal in the South if you had some African ancestry, you can now identify yourself as white, and you are legally white.
Don't you mean the mestizo got absorbed into the Afro Mexican population? Lol

Well, to be serious and more fair and frank, realize that most Mexicans have African ancestry. People of African descent at one time made up between 80% to 90% of Mexico City's population at one time.

Blacks outnumbered whites in Mexico until the 1800s.

And actually, the majority of Afrodescent Mexicans are descendants of the slaves and African arrivals that came to Mexico during the Spanish colonial period!

And actually, an individual has always been allowed to self identify as they please in the United States since the beginning of the colonial period. All the way up until the censuses of the 1930s, colored, mulatto, mixed and other mixed race categories existed and were their own seperate mixed race categories. It was only between 1930s and 1967 that in many southern states, one drop rule was imposed although even then, it varied based on jurisdiction and courts. Many tri racial isolate groups rejected race or being one dropped.

In states like Ohio less than 100 years ago someone that looked white or close to white or had at least 1/2 (50%) white and/or European ancestry was allowed to be legally declared and treated as WHITE. Mixed race people and identities have always existed in the USA and as seperate racial identities.

During the times of slavery in USA, there were many white slaves, and people were racially categorized based on their appearance and so if one looked white even if known that they were mixed, people had no issue classifying them as white and treating them accordingly as such!

Keep in mind that many historical figures of that past that ppl view from a modern lense today, often were not classified as black during their time, especially since there was/is no such thing as one drop rule back then.

For example, Francis Healy is credited today as the first black and African American bishop when he was not viewed as black back then, and was viewed as a WHITE man that just happened to have African ancestry. Yes it was possible even then to be a WHITE person with known black ancestry.

Also there is a double standard it seems on how people perceive people's and identities. For example Raven Symone who is of Louisiana Creole Latin heritage is viewed as black by some, yet Afro Mexican singer Kalimba's sister who resembles Raven to an extent may get viewed as not black simply because people from Spanish speaking countries get viewed as their own group or treated as if they were a race.

Better yet case and point. Eva Longoria doesn't really know Spanish and her roots are in Texas and the states and regions of the vast Louisiana territory, yet media often refers to her erroneously as Mexican, and also automatically labels her as Hispanic and Latina. But yet Beyonçé Knowles who is half Bahamian and half Louisiana Créole gets told by others that she isn't Latina at times, despite the fact that her relatives and family speak Spanish, French and Créole. She and Eva Longoria possibly according to some sources share mutually distantly related ancestors. Creoles are a Latin people culturally.

What if Mexico was annexed to the USA today, would you or others consider Afro Mexicans or Mexicans as a whole to be black or African American all of a sudden? That is what seems to make perceptions and ideas on and about race arbitrary.

Race exists in Mexico to an extent and did during the colonial period. When the Mexican Revolution occurred issues at the time hinged on race and class. They eventually took the initiative to identify and unify under the auspices of nationality, but sadly what remained was leftover residues of discrimination and classism. A significant part of Afro Mexican populations remains in poverty.

Racism sadly still exists. Many Afro Mexicans and darker Mexicans or those that are perceived as being "black" or of mixed black ancestry to some extent, are often questioned on their nationality and asked to sing the national anthem of Mexico to prove that they are Mexican nationals or citizens, even if after showing adequate proof and/or ID that they are Mexicans.
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Mexico had a significant number of African slaves during colonial times, most of the African-descended population got absorbed into the larger Mestizo (European/indigenous) population. Less than 1% of Mexico's population has significant African ancestry, and a large number of Afro-Mexicans are actually naturalized black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.

Race does not legally exist in Mexico. I believe it was abolished in the colonial period. In any case, census data can only ask questions about language spoken at home, and you are not asked to define your race.

Race is self-defining now in the USA, but it still exists legally. While "passing as white" was once illegal in the South if you had some African ancestry, you can now identify yourself as white, and you are legally white.
White racial purity in the USA is a myth and has always been a myth!
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Old 10-18-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Mexico had a significant number of African slaves during colonial times, most of the African-descended population got absorbed into the larger Mestizo (European/indigenous) population. Less than 1% of Mexico's population has significant African ancestry, and a large number of Afro-Mexicans are actually naturalized black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.

Race does not legally exist in Mexico. I believe it was abolished in the colonial period. In any case, census data can only ask questions about language spoken at home, and you are not asked to define your race.

Race is self-defining now in the USA, but it still exists legally. While "passing as white" was once illegal in the South if you had some African ancestry, you can now identify yourself as white, and you are legally white.
Myths Across The Color Line:

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