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If any non-Hispanic white is Anglo..then we truly have a meaningless way of labeling people and might as well throw it in la basura!
Anglo = whose ancestry originates wholly or partly in England.
So if an Italian is living in AZ then they are considered Anglo? What about a Russian, are they anglo too?
The ways we label people are in most of the cases rather abritrary. They differ from one country to another, developing along the historical circumstances of the country. For example the Black-Latino-White-Asian classification very common in the US is foreign even to Canadians.
When you say "Asian", an average American, Canadian, and Englishman would each have a different picture in head.
The same with "Black", "Latino", "White", and a bunch of other labels.
Btw, this discussion about "Anglo" reminds me of a similar one regarding "Latino". some people argue that Romanians are also Latino, but we all know that's not the way it is used in the US. And accusing the bulk of Americans wrong because they don't consider Romanians to be Latinos would rather be an insensate thing to do.
Then there's the objection that US citizens call themselves and are called "Americans" when in fact Argentinians are also "Americans", etc. etc. The list of examples is exhaustive.
antialphabet is correct: here in Arizona any non Hispanic White is an Anglo.
I definitely qualify despite my father being from Hungary. In fact: I have a friend too of Hungarian lineage who is obviously Mestizo due to her probable Gypsy/Roma* facial features but is also counted as 100% White/Anglo here.
*Most Roma are indeed of strong East Indian heritage according to DNA testing.
Whoa whoa whoa -- Mestizo Roma? The Roma are Indian, so how can they also be Mestizo, as Mestizo is defined as being partly of Meso-American ancestry?
Anglo = whose ancestry originates wholly or partly in England.
So if an Italian is living in AZ then they are considered Anglo? What about a Russian, are they anglo too?
Maybe we should just drop the stupid labels all together, pretty soon we will all be so mixed we won't know what we are.
Mutts will rule the world.
Actually, Anglo is British, so the Scots and Welsh are Anglo too.
Regarding Italians, if you're a light skinned Italian with straight hair, you're a Lombard. The Lombards are a Germanic people, and hence you're a Saxon, and therefore can fall under the Anglo-Saxon umbrella if you're also of British or Northern Irish lineage and you look like an indigenous North Western European.
And more and more -- Chinese ethnic, Indian (Hindu) ethnic and so on. I've known immigrants from England that on the surface LOOK like they would have come from India but have the classic British accent because they were born and raised in England.
In Britain they're called "Britishers", but not British because they're really just guests there.
In New Mexico, I noticed some people refer to most non-hispanic white people as Anglos or gringos, except possibly Italians and Portuguese (European Latin). Generally, people with a North or Western European heritage. It's not used very much that I saw, and mostly in a joking way.
If that seems stupid, the term Hispanic is worse. The word Hispanic is used to lump together people from a wide variety of ethnicities and cultures just because they happen to speak Spanish and their country was once a colony of Spain. By that usage, it would not be inaccurate to use Anglo to lump together all English speaking people, regardless of race or culture, whose country was once a British colony. Make sense? No it doesn't, which is why Hispanic is a stupid term also. It robs individuals of their unique heritage, ethnic identity, and culture.
In New Mexico, I noticed some people refer to most non-hispanic white people as Anglos or gringos, except possibly Italians and Portuguese (European Latin). Generally, people with a North or Western European heritage. It's not used very much that I saw, and mostly in a joking way.
If that seems stupid, the term Hispanic is worse. The word Hispanic is used to lump together people from a wide variety of ethnicities and cultures just because they happen to speak Spanish and their country was once a colony of Spain. By that usage, it would not be inaccurate to use Anglo to lump together all English speaking people, regardless of race or culture, whose country was once a British colony. Make sense? No it doesn't, which is why Hispanic is a stupid term also. It robs individuals of their unique heritage, ethnic identity, and culture.
And more and more -- Chinese ethnic, Indian (Hindu) ethnic and so on. I've known immigrants from England that on the surface LOOK like they would have come from India but have the classic British accent because they were born and raised in England.
I was talking about the historical bloodline of Britain which was from 800 a.d. back to Ceasar and back farther to the ancient celts (britons, scots, welsh etc). Also not all germans are saxons as some on here have suggested as the saxons just one of many west germanic peoples and i haven't even mentioned the north germanics or the eastern germanics tribes. Anglo or angle is germanic for those still confused.
I wonder how many know that there are numerous germanic words in spanish as the visigoths, franks and lombards all lived in or around spain after the fall of the western roman empire.
That's what I think. The labels get less and less meaningful because for example Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead is not usually thought of as "hispanic", no one saw him as a hispanic singer. I'm not sure if he spoke Spanish or not, as far as I know he only sang in English
Jerry Garcia was not of 100% Spanish ancestry, he was also mixed with Swedish and Irish. The fact that he had a European appearence and not a Brown appearence and plus the fact that he spoke English with a White American accent and not a Chicano straight out of the barrio accent like Cheech Marin for example sounds like when he speaks English, is the reason why most Americans just saw him a straight up White boy and not a Hispanic person of color.
Even Nndb has Jerry Garcia listed as White under race or ethnicity Jerry Garcia
And they do not do that for most celebrities with Spanish last names. Most celebrities with Spanish last names are labeled as Hispanic under race or ethnicity, not White. Jerry Garcia is one of the few exceptions to that rule.
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Jerry Garcia was not of 100% Spanish ancestry, he was also mixed with Swedish and Irish. The fact that he had a European appearence and not a Brown appearence and plus the fact that he spoke English with a White American accent and not a Chicano straight out of the barrio accent like Cheech Marin for example sounds like when he speaks English, is the reason why most Americans just saw him a straight up White boy and not a Hispanic person of color.
Even Nndb has Jerry Garcia listed as White under race or ethnicity Jerry Garcia
And they do not do that for most celebrities with Spanish last names. Most celebrities with Spanish last names are labeled as Hispanic under race or ethnicity, not White. Jerry Garcia is one of the few exceptions to that rule.
Enrique Iglesias is from Spain, both parents are from Spain....so he´s spaniard...
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