[HarryBTL]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

When I read this thread, or any political thread on Michigan - same question always comes back to me - MICHIGAN IS A BLUE STATE? HOW?

I don't think I've ever heard of a 'Michigan liberal', although I assume they might exist in Ann Arbor.

But, on the thread, I'm mostly reading conservatives on the offensive...which seems to be the typical MI theme that I usually see, online or offline in regards to Michigan.

But, I get that the factories, the loss of jobs, the potential protection of jobs, etc. create voters who vote Democrat despite not having anything in common with the types of people who vote Democratic in, say, Oregon, or somewhere that also votes Democratic, and seem to speak in more 'liberal utopia' type of talk.

FYI.. Most true to form liberals don't care much for too much government either. Think of what liberal implies.. LIBERATED aka FREE and thus not tied down by massive government. Only thing that is honestly liberal with the dem party are the pro abortion crowd and the Gay/lesbian etc movement. Those are liberal causes. The pro big government stuff is not. Same sort of thing that has happened with the other side and thus neoconservatives that are ( falsely i might add ) commonly referred to as conservative nowadays which they are not. Not where fiscal/small government matters are concerned.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by darstar

Ok, it seems once a conservative always a Reagan fan.regardless of the truth. You have your talking points now,for a President you defend, Ok fine, but if you are telling. me Reagan did not contribute to the Government spending,maybe it's you that need to go back and check the history books .

Obama has doubled America's debt, and nobody seems to care. Where is the outrage?

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by ram2

Obama has doubled America's debt, and nobody seems to care. Where is the outrage?

He has not. That is just Foxspeak. Obama, for one thing, put two wars on the books where they belonged in the first place.
Republican guru D. Cheney says debt doesn't matter, so you're saying Cheney doesn't know what he's talking about. If the debt was 10 trillion up to the election of Obama (now 14 trillion), please explain why you were happy with a rising debt back then. Money was better spent?
Try some real data rather than parroting anti-Obama radio.
CBO: Exploding debt under Obama policies - David Rogers - POLITICO.com
See the "nearly" doubling projection? The year 2022!

[Sharks With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Tiger Beer

I grew up in Michigan and went to college in Michigan.

Regarding 'liberals', it sounds like we have different definitions of 'liberal'.

My definition of 'Liberals' are people who believe in gay rights, strongly support public transportation initiatives, pro-education, want healthcare for all citizens, like to watch NPR, appear off-put by guns, hesitant about war, etc.

Generally speaking, people who vote 'blue' in places like Michigan, are usually what we call 'Blue Dog Democrats'. They just simply do not have liberal agendas or interests whatsoever, by any stretch.

Well, across the country - about 40 percent are conservative, about 40 percent are moderate, and about 20 percent are liberal. Liberals are in the minority in Michigan. They're in the minority everywhere, even in liberal states such as Massachusetts. They would only fly in isolated enclaves. If a candidate who was "liberal" ran against a candidate who was "not liberal," the not liberal candidate would win in a landslide everywhere.

But not everyone who votes for Democrats is a liberal. Still, they probably have some liberal positions and certainly shouldn't be confused for conservatives.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by ram2

How did 8 years of Granholm improve Michigan?

Unfortunately there will be exceptions to the rule..the question now is will Snyder go the way Walker in Wisconsin is headed or will Snyder last through his term?

[darstar]

Originally Posted by ram2

Obama has doubled America's debt, and nobody seems to care. Where is the outrage?

Yes , You have been listing to Fox Noise way to much ! They distort the truth to fit a right wing agenda, every day. Then you have as your Spokesperson good ol Rush Limbaugh who laughs all the way to the bank after he gets his following sheep all riled up. The next poster has it summed up , and is right on. Listen to sane minds and not the talking Points for the less informed, who, the GOP has attracted in large numbers, right along with the Moral majority....o , I guess its now called the tea party, and the fundamentalist religious nuts, like Rick Sanatorium ...who panders daily to please these people. And you say you want less Government in our personal lives ? Thats not what comes out of their mouths. Its getting harder to keep track, a score card, of who says the most flip flops of the day. Its no wonder the Public is confused, too much false information !

[darstar]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Unfortunately there will be exceptions to the rule..the question now is will Snyder go the way Walker in Wisconsin is headed or will Snyder last through his term?

I think the People of Michigan know now they made the wrong choice, it would not surprise me to see him sent packing !

[darstar]

Originally Posted by cbmsu01

Well, across the country - about 40 percent are conservative, about 40 percent are moderate, and about 20 percent are liberal. Liberals are in the minority in Michigan. They're in the minority everywhere, even in liberal states such as Massachusetts. They would only fly in isolated enclaves. If a candidate who was "liberal" ran against a candidate who was "not liberal," the not liberal candidate would win in a landslide everywhere.

But not everyone who votes for Democrats is a liberal. Still, they probably have some liberal positions and certainly shouldn't be confused for conservatives.

At one time most of the voting people considered themselves Democrats. Johnson knew that what he was about to do, for humanity, would turn the south over towards the Conservative side....and yes it did happen, but it was still the right thing to do.

[ram2]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Unfortunately there will be exceptions to the rule..the question now is will Snyder go the way Walker in Wisconsin is headed or will Snyder last through his term?

Walker is doing what is needed to get spending under control.

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by cbmsu01

Well, across the country - about 40 percent are conservative, about 40 percent are moderate, and about 20 percent are liberal. Liberals are in the minority in Michigan. They're in the minority everywhere, even in liberal states such as Massachusetts. They would only fly in isolated enclaves. If a candidate who was "liberal" ran against a candidate who was "not liberal," the not liberal candidate would win in a landslide everywhere.
But not everyone who votes for Democrats is a liberal. Still, they probably have some liberal positions and certainly shouldn't be confused for conservatives.

Are you using the classical "liberal" definition, or the Carl Rove dictionary rewrite? If right-wing media labels someone a liberal it just means someone to the left of fascism.
Another Fox misrepresentation is that the terms "Democrat" and "liberal" are synonymous and they trot either one out as it suits their purpose-of-the-moment.
Is Michigan a blue state? It appears that many who vote do so against their own interests based upon the "information" they receive from the dominant media (such as seniors on medicare and SS voting Republican). Yep, some believe that Democrats want to destroy these programs.