10-03-2012, 03:21 PM
Location: Asheville
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Hello Everyone! My partner and I are going to be moving in 2013. After researching many different states we have narrowed it down to 2. Michigan and Wisconsin. I am more interested in Michigan, she likes Wisconsin. This has become quite the debate between us
I have never been to either state, she has visited both but it has been over 10 years ago. We do plan on making a trip in the next couple of months to drive through the Western side of Michigan and the Eastern side of Wisconsin so we can see things for ourselves. (We want to be close to Lake Michigan) With that said Id like to ask:
What are the differences/similarities between Michigan and Wisconsin?
Landscape?
Weather?
People?
Cost of Living?
Lifestyle?
Employment or lack of?
Whatever impressions or information you can give me may help with this debate we are having
I am beyond excited about our move and very grateful there is a place like CD where I can come and ask question like this and know I'll get honest feedback from people that actually live in the places Im interested in. SO much better then relying on some poll on websites titled "Best Places to Live"
Thanks yall!
10-03-2012, 04:51 PM
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Well hm...I don't know a whole lot about Wisconsin because we just moved here to Michigan- but interestingly enough, we are right on the edge of Michigan in the U.P., and just a couple of miles from the Wisconsin border-so I guess you could say that we have the best of both worlds, lol- However...we aren't by lake Michigan, but where we are is beautiful- there are lakes, and we are a hop-skip-and a jump from all that the U.P. (and Wisconsin) has to offer!
10-03-2012, 08:22 PM
Location: Loving life in Gaylord!
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Michigan is bordered by all the amazing lakes, and doesnt get as cold. Michigan...no contest
10-03-2012, 09:09 PM
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Michigan and Wisconsin are very similar states. The people are similar, as is the demographics and culture of the two states. That being said there are a couple noteable differences. Wisconsin has a bit better economy, Michigans economic issues are well known. Because of this Wisconsin housing is a bit more expensive. Michigan is a snowier state than Wisconsin because we are downwind from the lake. Wisconisn is a few degrees cooler in winter because it is upwind from the lakes moderating effect. Politically it is said Wisconsin is a bit more liberal than Michigan. Michigan can be very socially conservative, but loyal to the union Dem cause. Its kind of a confused state politically lol. I would think the lifestyle of both states is quite similar, both are outdoorsey states, deer hunting, fishing, camping etc. If your looking for the upper midwest lifestyle then both states will make you happy. Really the differences between them are few, similarities are many.
10-04-2012, 07:20 AM
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Michigan and Wisconsin are very similar states. The people are similar, as is the demographics and culture of the two states. That being said there are a couple noteable differences. Wisconsin has a bit better economy, Michigans economic issues are well known. Because of this Wisconsin housing is a bit more expensive. Michigan is a snowier state than Wisconsin because we are downwind from the lake. Wisconisn is a few degrees cooler in winter because it is upwind from the lakes moderating effect. Politically it is said Wisconsin is a bit more liberal than Michigan. Michigan can be very socially conservative, but loyal to the union Dem cause. Its kind of a confused state politically lol. I would think the lifestyle of both states is quite similar, both are outdoorsey states, deer hunting, fishing, camping etc. If your looking for the upper midwest lifestyle then both states will make you happy. Really the differences between them are few, similarities are many.
I agree with all of this. Far more similarities than differences.
It seems to me though that Wisconsin is a tad more into the hunting and fishing type scene, where I might consider MI to be more diversified in the outdoor activities. When I think of WI, I think of hunting, fishing, beer, brats, ice fishing, Packers, cheese. With MI, I think of sailing, camping, boating, canoeing, skiing, snowmobiling.
I think MI is more scenic. Drive to the east side if you want a sunrise, otherwise you have your beautiful sunsets on the west side. Michigan's west side has awesome sandy beaches up and down the coast. Are WI beaches as sandy and beautiful? I am not so sure.
Only reason I would move to WI over MI would be if I wanted to live right on Lake Michigan and be in a city. MI doesn't have a Milwaukee. Then again, if that is what I wanted, I would live in Chicago.
10-04-2012, 09:42 AM
Location: Michigan
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If you want beautiful dunes and beaches, choose Michigan. The prevailing winds cause erosion that creates dunes on the Michigan side of lake.
10-04-2012, 10:20 AM
Location: Asheville
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Thank you for the replies! You are confirming some of the things I was thinking about Michigan. The diversity in outdoor activities, the beaches in Michigan from the pics Ive seen, are more beautiful then the ones in Wisconsin and that housing is cheaper in Michigan. I work in Long Term Care and from what Ive read on several sites the difference in pay for my skill between the states is minimal so cheaper housing is a plus for sure.
10-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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Check out Traverse City, Michigan area - no one will look twice at you. Home to the most liberal base west of Lansing. Interlochen, where many singers train in their formative years (e.g. Josh Groban) is right down the road. Arts are celebratated, a much more cultured base. There are a lot of transplants from Chicago who live in the Glen Arbor, TCity, Leland area as well.
Saugatuck, Michigan (google it) is the Midwest's version of Fire Island/Rehoboth Beach and that is not far from Lake Michigan on the Southwestern side. Can't really go wrong with either side. But if you had the chance to live in the Most Beautiful Place in America - why would you go anywhere else =)
Sleeping Bear Dunes, Michigan Voted Good Morning America's 'Most Beautiful Place' - ABC News
10-04-2012, 01:22 PM
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Check out Traverse City, Michigan area - no one will look twice at you. Home to the most liberal base west of Lansing. Interlochen, where many singers train in their formative years (e.g. Josh Groban) is right down the road. Arts are celebratated, a much more cultured base. There are a lot of transplants from Chicago who live in the Glen Arbor, TCity, Leland area as well.
Saugatuck, Michigan (google it) is the Midwest's version of Fire Island/Rehoboth Beach and that is not far from Lake Michigan on the Southwestern side. Can't really go wrong with either side. But if you had the chance to live in the Most Beautiful Place in America - why would you go anywhere else =)
Sleeping Bear Dunes, Michigan Voted Good Morning America's 'Most Beautiful Place' - ABC News
Good post and good advice.
I just had to laugh at your comment about Saugatuck not being that far from Lake Michigan. If you look at a map, you can see it is not far from the lake. Not far at all. LOL
10-04-2012, 01:54 PM
Location: Asheville
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Check out Traverse City, Michigan area - no one will look twice at you. Home to the most liberal base west of Lansing. Interlochen, where many singers train in their formative years (e.g. Josh Groban) is right down the road. Arts are celebratated, a much more cultured base. There are a lot of transplants from Chicago who live in the Glen Arbor, TCity, Leland area as well.
Saugatuck, Michigan (google it) is the Midwest's version of Fire Island/Rehoboth Beach and that is not far from Lake Michigan on the Southwestern side. Can't really go wrong with either side. But if you had the chance to live in the Most Beautiful Place in America - why would you go anywhere else =)
Sleeping Bear Dunes, Michigan Voted Good Morning America's 'Most Beautiful Place' - ABC News
The Traverse City area and Saugatuck sound awesome! Thank you for describing those for me and for the link. This really helps...Im going to predict I win the debate my partner and I are having...know what that means? Michigan here we come
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People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I have never been to either state, she has visited both but it has been over 10 years ago. We do plan on making a trip in the next couple of months to drive through the Western side of Michigan and the Eastern side of Wisconsin so we can see things for ourselves. (We want to be close to Lake Michigan) With that said Id like to ask:
I am beyond excited about our move and very grateful there is a place like CD where I can come and ask question like this and know I'll get honest feedback from people that actually live in the places Im interested in. SO much better then relying on some poll on websites titled "Best Places to Live" 
Thanks yall!
