03-06-2010, 07:00 AM
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I've got some fine scatterguns, and every time I'm around a skeet range I knock those clays pretty well, but I've never been much of a birdman. I've got a Savage over/under .22mag-.20ga gun I normally hunt squirrel with and I've hit a grouse or two (only because they scared the tar out of me while walking in the woods).
Maybe I need to broaden my horizons!
03-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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I've got some fine scatterguns, and every time I'm around a skeet range I knock those clays pretty well, but I've never been much of a birdman. I've got a Savage over/under .22mag-.20ga gun I normally hunt squirrel with and I've hit a grouse or two (only because they scared the tar out of me while walking in the woods).
Maybe I need to broaden my horizons!
....Threerun.....
I've read your previous posts re hunting in WV and how you hope to hunt various species here in MT. Although you haven't specifically asked about guns, calibers, bullets, foot pounds of energy at 100 yrd etc,etc,etc,.......I am going to "stick my neck out" and offer "my humble opinions" after having hunted big game in Colorado, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, and Alaska since 1960. (Species involved: WT Deer; Mule Deer; Elk; Moose; Caribou; Antelope; Black Bear; Kodiak (Grizzly) Bear and Canadian Wolf). I am offering these "opinions".......not to brag....not to impress, but to hopefully lessen your chances of making some erroneous decisions after you begin your hunting adventures here in MT......which I think will be vastly different from what you have experienced in WV....(no derogatory implication intended).
Rifles: A good quality Bolt Action with a "hinged floor plate" for it's magazine.
Calibers: Deer, Antelope and Black Bear: an Absolute Mimimum of .243 caliber......preferrably a .25/06 or 7mm Mag would be better (don't forget, you want a high velocity, flat shooting load that will enable you to achieve "one-shot kills" out to 350 to 400 yards --if necessary.....!
Bullets for the above: in .243--either 100 or 105 gr Premium (controled expansion) type bullets: i.e. Nosler Partition Etc, Etc ....................
In the .25/06, 120 gr............and in the 7mm mag, 140 gr (again and always use a PREMIUM Type Bullet).............................. Please don't consider using calibers such as: .223; .220 swift; .22/250 etc, etc,(these calibers and their respective bullets are intented for varmint/target type use....not for game where you need penetration with controlled expansion)................and (never) a .30 cal M1 CARBINE with Military Hard Ball Ammo. Also, I think MT F&G statutes require a minimum of 900 ft pounds of energy at 100 yards and an expansion type bullet..no full metal jacket.
For Elk & Moose: I would choose one of the .338 caliber cartridges with 250 gr Premium bullets..................Remember, there is nothing more satisfying than a "one shot (virtually) instantenous kill.......No tracking, no 'pumping of hot blood through the animal's system, before he finally falls over several minutes later); no lingering death for the animal etc. To achieve this type of kill I (personally), if at all possible, aim to place the bullet: "
one third of the way down from the top line of the neck,,,at a point where the neck begins to broaden out and begin to form the front of the shoulder.. .........At this point of impact, you put the bullet within 1 to 2 inches of the spine (and many times right into the spine), this almost always drops the animal 'In-his-tracks'. And, a much easier and cleaner job for 'field-dressing'.
Scopes: A great many choices here: I personally like Burris Scopes because of the STEEL tubes (not Aluminum) and I prefer WARNE mount bases and rings....again because they are Steel, use (4) allen head screws (not 2) per ring and hold a scope tighter in the rings than any others that I know of. (Again, these are just my opinions, formed over many years)...............
Power choice(s): again a great many choices......I prefer a '4 to 16' variable for the deer/antelope rifle (due to the possible shots out to 400), and a '2 to 7', or '3 to 9' for the elk rifle. (don't forget....the larger the scope (in size)....the greater the chance you will bang it up against something while hunting in MT type enviroment(s).
Most important: by target shooting, get to know where your choosen "load" impacts at 100, 200, 300, & 400 yards.....as related to your point of aim.
And do this with your "hunting loads".....not some cheap, bargain type ammo.
For most rifles in a high velociety range of 3000 fps, I sight in to be (3" inches high at 100 yards).........this will minimumize your aiming point considerations......................But, you still have to ckeck out your bullet impact points at 100, 200, 300, & 400 yards.
Hope this info helps. Again, these are just my opinions (and I know, others out there will take issue with me......however this is what has worked for me.................and I have never lost a big game animal.......of that, I am quite proud.
CARPE DIEM!
03-06-2010, 06:22 PM
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Thanks, appreciate the info. I tend to mostly bow hunt for big game. Only lost one in the last, oh, 7 years or so? My bow sight got buggered and I hit one in the 'void' far up the shoulder.
Heck last year I bagged some nice bushy tails with my bow too. All in all I take most my game that way nowadays.
I own two centerfire rifles, my father in-laws old Rem bolt .257 bob and Thompsons Encore. I've got a .30-06 rifle barrel and a .257 pistol barrel. I'd more than likely get another barrel for hunting out west.
Here's a fox I bagged while target shooting. Turned out to be rabid.
03-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Location: Billings, MT
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I have hunted for years in Montana and Wyoming, with a Remington 30-06 in either pump gun or semi-auto. IMO, that ol '06 is hard to beat, and the Remington rifles do the job just fine. I use a plain old duplex cross hair 4 power Leupold scope.
I have taken a LOT of deer and a few antelope with that combo, usually shooting 165 grain silvertip ammunition.
For a couple years I used a 45-70 lever action Marlin rifle, with 405 gr. hollow points.
It was fun to shoot!
03-06-2010, 07:52 PM
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I just sold my Encore .45-70 barrel. That is a fun round to shoot.
My .257 has been my go to white-tail gun for years. Before that I had a Rem gamemaster pump in .30-06. Darn good rifles. But I have to say, the Encore I have has some really good trigger work and with the Thompson factory .30-06 barrel it's a great shooter. I forked out some bucks last year and bought a Leupold VX3 50mm scope and boy is that a dandy too. Puts my Nikon to shame. Hopefully that's the last scope I'll ever buy.
I only shot one doe with that set-up this year- the rest of my bags were with my bow.
03-08-2010, 05:21 PM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Montana Griz
I've read your previous posts re hunting in WV and how you hope to hunt various species here in MT. Although you haven't specifically asked about guns, calibers, bullets, foot pounds of energy at 100 yrd etc,etc,etc,.......I am going to "stick my neck out" and offer "my humble opinions" after having hunted big game in Colorado, Idaho, Montana, British Columbia, and Alaska since 1960.
Wow, that's a lot of good info. My brain hurts.
One other thing I'd expect is that you might have to adjust slightly for the thinner air at MT's higher altitude. It's significant for aircraft, so I expect it also makes a difference for shooting -- being there's less air resistance.
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The hunting here gets worse every year. The outfitters have locked up a bunch of the land that we used to be able to hunt on block management is a joke there's so much private property that everyone has to use block management and the land owner can still tell you no If you own land or know someone with land then the hunting is ok that is if there is any deer or elk left after the wolves get done. If you're a bird hunter. Good luck getting permission to hunt on anyone's land. Get a map that shows private and open land. You will be superseded how much of Montana is private
08-27-2014, 09:05 PM
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)