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It doesn't sound disagreeable to me, I think it would be a good thing for all of Canada.
I think the French language test is good, the value tests sounds great but I doubt that it will make any difference. The reason Muslim immigrant gets Canadian citizenship is not because they love Canadian lifestyles, the get it because it is a financial advantage. They will simply memorize what is correct in such value tests but that does imply in no way that they will behave like that.
In the rest of Canada, I think most migrants know very well what rights women & people of other religions have - and they don't like it.
A value test cannot change the lifestyles, confession, attitudes of people who arrive from other countries. Either you are western or not, admission into Q won't change that
How has immigration to Quebec been a failure? I have seen you complain about immigrants not learning French but in my experience, most do learn French over English or at least learn both. Imo Quebec is the province that talks about integration the most, and that's a good thing. The concerns with Islam are every where not just in Quebec. Maybe eating a BLT and a glass of wine would be a good "values test"? LOL
While it won't be my personal battle cry, I do think an argument can be made that immigration for most of the 20th century was a "failure" for Quebec.
A very large share of the immigrants that came here were socialized and integrated in a way that placed them in opposition to the wider society. As a result, far too many of them either moved on to other parts of Canada or the U.S., or if they stayed, dug in their heels and continued working against the tide.
Thankfully those days are (largely) over, but one can't help but think of the lost potential of all those people who came here but left, and who might have stayed had they integrated/been integrated better.
What gets me is why the Quebec state doesn't allow polygamy. I was watching a news piece a few years ago about a man and his 5 sister-wives. They were all happy with the arrangement. If they were to move to Quebec, on what basis can Quebec refuse them the right to marry or be married? It was all consensual.
Just so you know, Quebec is not a state, it's a province in Canada.
Quebec would refuse the would be bigamists or polygamists the right to marry for the same reason that all the other provinces in rest of Canada would refuse it. Namely that marriages between multiple partners is illegal in all of Canada and it is not recognized for would be immigrants with multiple spouses. All forms of polygamy are illegal under section 293 of the Criminal Code of Canada and bigamy is banned under section 290.
Legal marriage in Canada can only be a two person arrangement, not a marriage with multiple partners. Multiple partners who were married in other countries then wanted to immigrate to Canada would not have their multiple marriage partners recognized and only one husband and one wife and her children would be allowed to immigrate, all the other spouses within the partnership would not be allowed to immigrate as spouses. I don't know how the law applies to the other children of the disallowed partners but they would likely have to stay with their disallowed mothers and wouldn't be allowed to immigrate until they reach age 18 and can immigrate on their own merit.
It doesn't matter if the would be bigamists / polygamists are all consensual and would be happy with their desired arrangement - of course they would be happy with it if it was allowed, otherwise they wouldn't want to do it, would they? They can't all be married but if they are legal citizens of Canada all living in Canada they can all live together if they want to and nobody would stop them from doing that.
Just so you know, Quebec is not a state, it's a province in Canada.
state
Dictionary result for state
/stāt/
noun
noun: state; plural noun: states
1.
the particular condition that someone or something is in at a specific time.
"the state of the company's finances" 2.
a nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.
"Germany, Italy, and other European states"
synonyms:
country, nation, land, sovereign state, nation state, kingdom, empire, republic, confederation, federation, body politic, commonwealth, power, world power, superpower, polity, domain, territory;
A Canadian province is a type of 'political community under one government' or 'polity'. So, in this meaning (which was the intended one), speaking of the "Quebec state" is not incorrect.
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