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But as far as where was Superman, well you must have missed what was said near the beginning where Amanda Waller explained how Superman, who shares our values, his death left a vacancy for having a super ally available to fight against any super threat that would come against Earth. But apparently, Batman, the Flash, and Wonder Woman weren't considered to be powerful enough to be able to fight off the type of threats that Waller had in mind. Although you're probably asking... and the squad was? lol But I guess with the fire guy, apparently Waller thought that the squad was powerful enough. However, now that the fire guy is dead, does that mean that there won't be a Suicide Squad 2?
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Well you couldn't depend upon Wonder Woman, at this point she disappeared after WWI for 100 years and did not pitch in the first time Superman faced a big threat
Well you couldn't depend upon Wonder Woman, at this point she disappeared after WWI for 100 years and did not pitch in the first time Superman faced a big threat
The suicide squad was in jail...all were known losers to whoever caught them.
Why not call in the winners? A team of winners would have to be better than a team of the losers.
And the implication was that Waller had enough information on even the winners to coerce them to save the world...as though they wouldn't anyway.
"Suicide Squad" is just a dumb invention anyway you look at it.
You guys crack me up. Suicide Squad is "dumb," but The Force Awakens gets waved on through to the Hall of Classics with all of its plotholes, errors and contrivances.
You guys crack me up. Suicide Squad is "dumb," but The Force Awakens gets waved on through to the Hall of Classics with all of its plotholes, errors and contrivances.
I'm saying the concept of a "suicide squad" of criminals is dumb when the superior forces that caught the criminals are available. Unless the intention is to use them to commit a crime and then kill them immediately afterward.
I'm saying the concept of a "suicide squad" of criminals is dumb when the superior forces that caught the criminals are available. Unless the intention is to use them to commit a crime and then kill them immediately afterward.
They weren't used to commit a crime, but they were expendable (and this was demonstrated early on).
The "superior forces" you speak of add up to Batman and Flash. The Justice League does not yet exist.
The thing is, as this is demonstrated quite capably by the Marvel movies (which I've no doubt you've watched), not everyone can be in the same place, at the same time. Even Thor can't stop stuff from going down by himself, and I didn't see any other Avengers or Asgardians helping him out in The Dark World.
They weren't used to commit a crime, but they were expendable (and this was demonstrated early on).
The "superior forces" you speak of add up to Batman and Flash. The Justice League does not yet exist.
The thing is, as this is demonstrated quite capably by the Marvel movies (which I've no doubt you've watched), not everyone can be in the same place, at the same time. Even Thor can't stop stuff from going down by himself, and I didn't see any other Avengers or Asgardians helping him out in The Dark World.
Hence the assembling of the Suicide Squad.
If the Batman and the Flash each working alone defeated each member the suicide squad, then the Batman and the Flash together can defeat any world threat the Suicide Squad could defeat.
But wait--there were a bunch of elite forces riding herd on the Suicide Squad. So if they could be expected to ride herd on the Suicide Squad, then they're a considerable backup force to the Batman and the Flash.
There is no logical reason for using a group of criminals to save the world when you have the people available who you already know can defeat and contain the criminals. That just doesn't pass any kind of logical muster.
They weren't used to commit a crime, but they were expendable (and this was demonstrated early on).
The "superior forces" you speak of add up to Batman and Flash. The Justice League does not yet exist.
The thing is, as this is demonstrated quite capably by the Marvel movies (which I've no doubt you've watched), not everyone can be in the same place, at the same time. Even Thor can't stop stuff from going down by himself, and I didn't see any other Avengers or Asgardians helping him out in The Dark World.
Hence the assembling of the Suicide Squad.
The superior force would presumably be a Delta Force or SEAL Team 6. But the plot is basic Dirty Dozen and they are not supposed to survive so "good" people can follow up after passing through the dead forlorn hopes dead bodies
If the Batman and the Flash each working alone defeated each member the suicide squad, then the Batman and the Flash together can defeat any world threat the Suicide Squad could defeat.
But wait--there were a bunch of elite forces riding herd on the Suicide Squad. So if they could be expected to ride herd on the Suicide Squad, then they're a considerable backup force to the Batman and the Flash.
There is no logical reason for using a group of criminals to save the world when you have the people available who you already know can defeat and contain the criminals. That just doesn't pass any kind of logical muster.
Arguably. The threat wasn't singular, though, and it also involved supernatural forces. If you've ever watched the Flash TV show, you'll see even a character like that, with such an incredible superpower, can't win every time.
Nor was it as as clear-cut as "good guys" and "bad guys." The wild card is government stooge/egomaniac Amanda Waller.
And they aren't "always available." Not to mention some of the baddies are harder to catch than others. It took Batman to catch Deadshot and Harley. It took Flash to catch Boomer.
Again, also demonstrated in the MCU by the climax of The Winter Soldier and the notable absence of most of the Avengers. Or Iron Man 3 (well, that movie's just stupid).
The superior force would presumably be a Delta Force or SEAL Team 6. But the plot is basic Dirty Dozen and they are not supposed to survive so "good" people can follow up after passing through the dead forlorn hopes dead bodies
In spite of having all the black ops and DFs/Seals/mercs (etc.) on hand, the members of the Squad still possess certain skill sets and abilities and a profound recklessness that can be an advantage to whomever (meaning Waller) uses them. To get them to do your bidding requires a little coercion. You want fewer of your enlisted to die while you clean up a mess you made? Great, use the Squad. And try not to screw up again. That's the whole point of the mission.
Arguably. The threat wasn't singular, though, and it also involved supernatural forces. If you've ever watched the Flash TV show, you'll see even a character like that, with such an incredible superpower, can't win every time.
Nor was it as as clear-cut as "good guys" and "bad guys." The wild card is government stooge/egomaniac Amanda Waller.
And they aren't "always available." Not to mention some of the baddies are harder to catch than others. It took Batman to catch Deadshot and Harley. It took Flash to catch Boomer.
Again, also demonstrated in the MCU by the climax of The Winter Soldier and the notable absence of most of the Avengers. Or Iron Man 3 (well, that movie's just stupid).
However, Waller demonstrably "had the goods" on both the Batman and the Flash (and Aquaman, too, for that matter). There is no indication that she tried to get them, failed, and thus had to depend on a group of criminals to save the world.
It would make more sense to conclude that Waller put a group of criminals together in order to perform a criminal deed that justice vigilantes and soldiers would refuse...and then throw them under the bus.
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But I guess with the fire guy, apparently Waller thought that the squad was powerful enough. However, now that the fire guy is dead, does that mean that there won't be a Suicide Squad 2?
