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Take for example Goodfellas and Casino. It's sad but the characters of DeNiro and Pesci are the same.
I can easily imagine other actor who plays DeNiro characters but I can't imagine any character who is able to play Corleone and Montana except Pacino.
Besides, 'Godfather' and 'Scarface' are by far two cult gangster movies well-known all over the world while many people never saw Goodfellas and Casino.
An interesting discussion, this Pacino v. DeNiro one. Reminds me of the one on the Music Forum .... Sinatra v. Bennett. I bring this up to expand the dialogue not to further drive a point, but DeNiro in Goodfellas was nothing like DeNiro in Casino. Both films based on true events, both characters on actual people, but the Irish gangster DeNiro played in Goodfellas was rash and deadly, whereas the guy in Casino was a methodical gambler who avoided violence at all costs. I guess it could be subtle, but not to me.
I tend to think that a good actor's ability is a gift that comes from the birth. It's hard to grow and develop it if you was not born the artistic kind of man.
By the way when I was saying that DeNiro is a workaholic and he works hard I meant that he played in a great amount of movies. It seems that he beats Pacino when it comes to quantity of movies.
Yeah, unfortunately neither DeNiro and Pacino have done that much worth watching lately. I liked Al in Insomnia though, alongside another great actor and because of his comedic genius, an underrated one, Robin Williams.
DeNiro and Pacino did Heat, and they had what? One or two scenes together. Then there was one that came out recently that I was sure to miss. Looks to me that both of these guys are more interested in banking as much dough as they can than they are in doing the best work, which I wouldn't criticze them for. After all, they've contribured more than their share to cinema, no? Or could it be that even they are not getting offered the roles that they used to be? In Pacino's biography, he was quoted to say that the only time he accepted a part in his prime days was when he got tired of turning the producer down.
FlashM and ExPit, re DeNiro, you haven't listed one of my favorite performances - Angel Heart (1987). I was trying to get a post together about this for another thread and saw your discussion.
I don't want to post any spoilers for those who have not seen the film - do you know who DeNiro is playing? It was said that when the film was made that the cast and crew avoided him as he had so thoroughly immersed himself in the character, and that they were anxious around him.
This is a great scene, with two great actors. DeNiro is amazing as the scene rolls, he is also playing it symbolically with the egg. Rourke registers the creeping menace.
FlashM and ExPit, re DeNiro, you haven't listed one of my favorite performances - Angel Heart (1987). I was trying to get a post together about this for another thread and saw your discussion.
I've only seen one fragment of this movie many years ago. It's sad but I've never seen the movie all the way through. I gotta do it one day
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Reminds me of the one on the Music Forum .... Sinatra v. Bennett.
By the way, a couple of weeks ago I saw the movie named 'Diner', 1987 with Micky Rourke. As far as I remember they were arguing about the same issue Sinatra v.Bennett at the beginning of the movie, no?
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but the Irish gangster DeNiro played in Goodfellas was rash and deadly, whereas the guy in Casino was a methodical gambler who avoided violence at all costs. I guess it could be subtle, but not to me.
Actually I was talking about facial expressions, gestures etc. They are the same.
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Yeah, unfortunately neither DeNiro and Pacino have done that much worth watching lately. I liked Al in Insomnia though, alongside another great actor and because of his comedic genius, an underrated one, Robin Williams.
It's sad but I never watched Insomnia though I was going to. As for late movies I do like Al's role in 'The Merchant Of Venice', 2004. Another great movie with Al was 'Glengarry Glen Ross', 1992 (can we consider 1992 as late? Lol) where Al played an excellent salesman there.
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DeNiro and Pacino did Heat, and they had what? One or two scenes together.
As for 'Heat' I like this movie especially that long scene with the bank robbery and street skirmish.
Both De Niro and Pacino were good.
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Then there was one that came out recently that I was sure to miss.
Yeah, I've seen this DVD in a store the other day and thought, 'Wow, another movie with Pacino and De Niro'. But unfortunately I don't remember the title.
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After all, they've contribured more than their share to cinema, no?
Yes, they have contributed more than enough.
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the only time he accepted a part in his prime days was when he got tired of turning the producer down.
What's 'part'? Not leading role but cameo role?
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Or could it be that even they are not getting offered the roles that they used to be?
ExPit, I don't know English excellent so could you explain me your sentence in other words? I didn't get the point cause the word 'even' confused me.
I've only seen one fragment of this movie many years ago. It's sad but I've never seen the movie all the way through. I gotta do it one day
By the way, a couple of weeks ago I saw the movie named 'Diner', 1987 with Micky Rourke. As far as I remember they were arguing about the same issue Sinatra v.Bennett at the beginning of the movie, no?
Actually I was talking about facial expressions, gestures etc. They are the same.
It's sad but I never watched Insomnia though I was going to. As for late movies I do like Al's role in 'The Merchant Of Venice', 2004. Another great movie with Al was 'Glengarry Glen Ross', 1992 (can we consider 1992 as late? Lol) where Al played an excellent salesman there.
As for 'Heat' I like this movie especially that long scene with the bank robbery and street skirmish.
Both De Niro and Pacino were good.
Yeah, I've seen this DVD in a store the other day and thought, 'Wow, another movie with Pacino and De Niro'. But unfortunately I don't remember the title.
Yes, they have contributed more than enough.
What's 'part'? Not leading role but cameo role?
ExPit, I don't know English excellent so could you explain me your sentence in other words? I didn't get the point cause the word 'even' confused me.
You may not know English very well (You do fine, by the way), but I am so lame I don't know how to split quotes.
In Diner they were arguing about Sinatra vs. Johnny Mathis.
A 'part' is a role, any role.
When I used 'even' , I meant that Pacino and DeNiro, two of the greatest film actors of all time, maybe do not get offered as many roles (jobs) as they used to. Many times as an actor ages he/she will find in more difficult to land (get offered) good roles. But I would think that these two guys wouldn't have such a problem. But maybe I am wrong about that.
but I am so lame I don't know how to split quotes.
It's easy. You just need to copy-paste square brackets (see the attached file below)
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In Diner they were arguing about Sinatra vs. Johnny Mathis.
Oh, I forgot
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A 'part' is a role, any role.
Thanks.
I still don't understand the point of your sentence. You said, "In Pacino's biography, he was quoted to say that the only time he accepted a part in his prime days was when he got tired of turning the producer down."
Why Pacino didn't want to accept parts? He was tired of movies?
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When I used 'even' , I meant that Pacino and DeNiro, two of the greatest film actors of all time, maybe do not get offered as many roles (jobs) as they used to. Many times as an actor ages he/she will find in more difficult to land (get offered) good roles. But I would think that these two guys wouldn't have such a problem. But maybe I am wrong about that.
Thanks for explanation.
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Many times as an actor ages he/she will find in more difficult to land (get offered) good roles. But I would think that these two guys wouldn't have such a problem. But maybe I am wrong about that.
I tend to think that any actor plays better when he/she is relatively young (let's say 30, 40, 45) but when you're 70 it's hard to play masterfully. Besides, the audience prefer the young actors. Take for example Mickey Rourke. He was a sex symbol for many girls after '9½ Weeks' when he was approx. 34yo. Though it's hard to imagine Mickey Rourke to be a sex symbol for young girls these days when he is in his 50s.
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The man of a thousand looks. Jack Nicholson.
I do like Nicholoson's joke in 'Chinatown' Lol
YELBURTON My goodness, what happened to your nose?
GITTES I cut myself shaving.
YELBURTON You ought to be more careful. That must really smart.
Flash ... The way I understood it, Pacino wanted to be careful about what roles he accepted. After Godfather I, he was suddenly a big star, but knew that there is a small margin of error even for big stars. As much demand as he was in, he knew if he did maybe two bad movies in a row he may not be in the same demand. So when another offer came his way, he almost always said, NO, and then NO, again and again until the producer, the director, or his agent convinced him that he was right for the part, and that the project was of the highest quality.
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