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Old 07-19-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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Bawahahahaha...those tools don't even know the difference between tapping and right handed hammer ons. "Tapping" is fretting with your left hand for a right player while moving back 12 frets (ON THE FRET ITSELF) and "tapping" a harmonic.
No, "tapping" is playing a note by fretting and releasing with the fretboard hand without plucking the string with the pick hand. Similar to a hammer-on, but using the fret hand rather than the pick hand. What Eddie does on those recordings, as well as "Spanish Fly" and others, is called "tap harmonics" or "tapping harmonics".

Several musician involved in the LA music scene in the '70s say Randy Rhoads was using them before Eddie, but Eddie recorded them before Randy did so I'll give Ed the credit for inventing the technique until someone proves me wrong.

Oh, you'll be pleased to learn that before Van Halen decided to focus on original material they were a disco/pop cover band.

And there's still no such thing as "Van Halen I".
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:55 PM
 
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No, "tapping" is playing a note by fretting and releasing with the fretboard hand without plucking the string with the pick hand. Similar to a hammer-on, but using the fret hand rather than the pick hand. What Eddie does on those recordings, as well as "Spanish Fly" and others, is called "tap harmonics" or "tapping harmonics".

Several musician involved in the LA music scene in the '70s say Randy Rhoads was using them before Eddie, but Eddie recorded them before Randy did so I'll give Ed the credit for inventing the technique until someone proves me wrong.

Oh, you'll be pleased to learn that before Van Halen decided to focus on original material they were a disco/pop cover band.

And there's still no such thing as "Van Halen I".
Tapping is fretting a chord. Your left hand keeps the chord formed. Those fingers don't leave the fretboard or chord shape. Your right hand moves down exactly 12 frets from your left fretted note. You tap or pop the string directly above the fret, 12 frets from which note is being played. That's not going to be a straight bar across the same fret for any given chord. You need to stagger to maintain your 12 fret relationship with your fret finger on each string in a chord.


Women in Love (intro) by ouTube


One style right hand hammer on




Van Halen- Eruption (Hammer-ons) - YouTube
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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Your borrowed from Billy Gibbons ZZ Top right hand hammer on is 0:08 - 0:11. That's what one of those sounds like. Ed does them all the time....ALL THE TIME. I don't know why I have to explain this stuff to someone wanting to argue without any knowledge. Do you want me to explain a "pinch harmonic" to you too? Eddie also got that from Billy from the end of LaGrange. Carry on....



Van Halen - Good Enough - YouTube
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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Hell, as long as we are doin' this I might as well show where ^ that type came from. 1:20 -1:24......1:40 - 1:44



ZZ Top Beer Drinkers And Hell Raisers - YouTube

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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Like the other folks said in that guitar thread along with myself. You gotta "get the ear"...........
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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I was not around during the time of Disco's domination. From what I understand, there were some during that time had a disdain for Disco? Anybody who was around in that era can explain?


Because some people can't dance.......we love it
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:23 AM
 
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Neither did the unique one of a kind guitar playing no one had ever seen before. Right hand hammer ons, stomp box city effects, speed picking, flaming riffs, "tapping" (Ed invented it), harmonics from hell etc..etc.. See above video^. In 1978 when they hit the big screen nearly EVERYONE including Hendrix fans said...."HOLY S***!"
Well lets explore Van Halen, although I know this is a post about Disco - Yes but you are talking about a time when "guitar Gods" were dime a dozen, Eddie had alot of tough competition - Randy Rhodes, Ritchi Blackmore, Carlos Sanatana, 60's standouts like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, and Jeff Beck were still out there making good music. Angus Young was coming out on the seen. And then you had the hair bands from the 80's that VH got lumped into - Motley Crue, Def Leapard, Bon Jovi, Poison, etc. I am telling you they did not stand out amongst the others. I saw them in concert in 1981, as a warm-up band (for The Rolling Stones). This was at their David Lee Roth height - a warm up band.
Now you can look at them 30 years later and appreciate Eddie's guitar style, I do, I respect it. I think it is somewhat souless, but that's my personal opinion and preference. But we are talking about the 1980's. They were popular, they had hits, they could fill stadiums even as headline acts...but they weren't "the second coming of Christ" type of phenomena.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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Disco died because the commercialisation of the genre turned it into a camp cartoon of what it once was. The charts have always undermined the quality of all dance genres (house is one that survived to some extent but 'true' house recently has become fairly niche with mainstream house changing from the big 'cross over' club classics in the ninties to cheesy Lady Gaga remixes and David Guetta.) Dance music belongs in the clubs, not in the charts.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Well lets explore Van Halen, although I know this is a post about Disco - Yes but you are talking about a time when "guitar Gods" were dime a dozen, Eddie had alot of tough competition - Randy Rhodes, Ritchi Blackmore, Carlos Sanatana, 60's standouts like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, and Jeff Beck were still out there making good music. Angus Young was coming out on the seen. And then you had the hair bands from the 80's that VH got lumped into - Motley Crue, Def Leapard, Bon Jovi, Poison, etc. I am telling you they did not stand out amongst the others. I saw them in concert in 1981, as a warm-up band (for The Rolling Stones). This was at their David Lee Roth height - a warm up band.
Now you can look at them 30 years later and appreciate Eddie's guitar style, I do, I respect it. I think it is somewhat souless, but that's my personal opinion and preference. But we are talking about the 1980's. They were popular, they had hits, they could fill stadiums even as headline acts...but they weren't "the second coming of Christ" type of phenomena.
Uh-huh-huh-huhuhuh. Excuse me Sir, your measurements are way off! Uh-huh-huhuhuh! That's Butthead from MTV if you wondered.

Are you kidding? Naw man, Randy and all those hairbands snatched their style from Eddie. I thought everyone knew that already....................................



Eddie Van Halen - from Les Paul & Friends concert - YouTube
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Disco died because it turned irrelevant. It not only turned into a caricature of itself but a caricature of life. Believe it or not, people do get tired of dancing. And let's face it, this was before the Age of Irony so once you get Liza Minelli and Carol Channing or whatever extolling the virtues of champagne wishes, caviar dreams, and cocaine nightmares, it just ain't cool anymore. Warhol notwithstanding. "Because the music that they constanty play...It says nothing to me about my life!"
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