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Old 03-03-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: NJ
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So let me ask you this. In "good" school districts in NJ do you think a majority of the teachers are very good? Of course I have no clue how anyone would actually measure that.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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So let me ask you this. In "good" school districts in NJ do you think a majority of the teachers are very good? Of course I have no clue how anyone would actually measure that.
Hmm.....

What I would like to know is how we have all of these education schools, Departments of Education, on and on, and no one can figure out how to evaluate a teacher?



The best way to evaluate a school is to let the whole thing go open market and see what schools the families pick for the children. We have no clue because it's a monopoly.

Private schools operate very well under this principle. The great private schools are regarded as great, all the way down to the crummy, and they will eventually shut down if parents don't think they are worth the money.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Hmm.....

What I would like to know is how we have all of these education schools, Departments of Education, on and on, and no one can figure out how to evaluate a teacher?



The best way to evaluate a school is to let the whole thing go open market and see what schools the families pick for the children. We have no clue because it's a monopoly.

Private schools operate very well under this principle. The great private schools are regarded as great, all the way down to the crummy, and they will eventually shut down if parents don't think they are worth the money.
we usually have data that shows the proficiency of students in one school or another. so i don't think we have no way to do it. and free-market schools means some kids will be casualties of the process, which i find unacceptable to let kids end up in crappy situations because their parents suck.

but generally speaking...yeah, i do think that if we looked at it, the better teachers would be at the better performing schools. when you look around crappy performing schools, you often see teachers who don't make time for meeting with parents, don't go the extra mile to help bobby out who's having trouble reading, etc etc. philadelphia is a good example of passing kids through because it's easier than teaching the kids (at least, was the case when I was in high school).

honestly...check out Waiting for Superman. it was really intriguing. and they also looked at all the "management" of schools and asked the same question you asked above (depts of education, etc etc). basically, everyone comes up with their own way to evaluate. they don't work together. so you have 100s of methods of evaluating.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
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this is like a big joke to pretend the quality of the schools is related to the quality of the teachers. we all know that teacher quality is a much smaller part of the equation than other factors.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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this is like a big joke to pretend the quality of the schools is related to the quality of the teachers. we all know that teacher quality is a much smaller part of the equation than other factors.
of course. i forgot that we all know that.
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: NJ
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of course. i forgot that we all know that.
isnt it great that you have me to remind you of what you already know.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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isnt it great that you have me to remind you of what you already know.
yes. i don't know what i would do with you cap.
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