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Old 07-02-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Fun fact:
Deportations of illegal immigrants is far higher under the current administration than during the previous administration.

Obama’s Record-High Deportations Draw Hispanic Scorn - ABC News
Disturbing fact, indicative of the current administrations willingness to distort the truth and deceive the American people;
If they were counted the same way as they were counted historically, deportations under the current administration would be below those under the previous administration.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...tatistics.html
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Or we could just raise taxes on the rich and close the loopholes and close our overseas bases and use the money to fund healthcare and education. But that makes too much sense, I know.
No, I think it makes great sense, but I am not deluded that this will ever happen in my lifetime, so we should be thinking of ways to alleviate the situation within our current situation.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Fun fact:
Deportations of illegal immigrants is far higher under the current administration than during the previous administration.

Obama’s Record-High Deportations Draw Hispanic Scorn - ABC News
Why should the taxpayer bear the burden of deporting them? There should be ridiculously high fines for any business caught hiring one, or any landlord renting to them. They would return home for the same reasons that brought them here - money. We know that works.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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the politicians are just the ones collecting the money from the businesses and whatever groups may be interested in immigration "reform." i guess i didn't make it clear that when i say "the money is on the side of immigration reform, so that's what politicians go with" i mean that people are paying politicians to support something that their constituents don't want.
I agree, but the way to prevent this would be campaign finance reform with the taxpayer footing the bill and the public airwaves having a mandate to broadcast free debates as part of the licensing agreement. Most people's eyes glaze over when you mention these things and the media seems happy with the status quo.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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At least there are no crys of racism because the guy is Polish.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I agree, but the way to prevent this would be campaign finance reform with the taxpayer footing the bill and the public airwaves having a mandate to broadcast free debates as part of the licensing agreement. Most people's eyes glaze over when you mention these things and the media seems happy with the status quo.
yes, campaign finance reform and more transparency with how politicians spend our money. the less power politicians have to spend money; the less corruption there will be.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, Nazi Jerky
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why would anyone oppose sending him back? he was here illegally. anyone here illegally should be deported.
This^ He was here for 30 years and didn't become a citizen? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, Nazi Jerky
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My my, imagine his surprise when he woke up from the coma.
and discovered that the lunch menu was a pirogi.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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yes, campaign finance reform and more transparency with how politicians spend our money. the less power politicians have to spend money; the less corruption there will be.
I say campaign finance reform because a huge number of people on all sides of the political spectrum would be for that. Other issues would just distract us, split us apart.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I say campaign finance reform because a huge number of people on all sides of the political spectrum would be for that. Other issues would just distract us, split us apart.
one thing i find amazing is the lobbyists. there are tons of lobbyists and many former politicians or staffmembers go into lobbying. dont people realize what lobbyists do? its a profession that is 100% centered around corruption. here is one way it works. you go to a lobbyist with an issue you have. the lobbyists identifies certain politicians that may help you. they tell you to donate x amount of dollars to these politicians. you have just bought some politicans. im pretty sure thats not how people want our government to run and that is exactly how it runs.

what do most people think lobbyists do?
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