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this is violent crime. lock them up or kill them. we pay way too much to lock someone up, but violent criminals shouldn't be free. but we should be saving tons of money on those jails by not filling them with non-violent drug criminals.
I agree. you commit a violent crime you go to jail. If it warrants the death penalty then so be it. But at some point we need to address the root of the problem to prevent it from happening in the first place. Locking them up isn't a deterrent. these kids that are doing this already know they are likely to end up there at some point.
I agree. you commit a violent crime you go to jail. If it warrants the death penalty then so be it. But at some point we need to address the root of the problem to prevent it from happening in the first place. Locking them up isn't a deterrent. these kids that are doing this already know they are likely to end up there at some point.
I believe lots of time, money and effort are spent trying to address the root of the problem. so i dont think its accurate to pretend that people aren't trying to solve the problem. but in the meantime, I certainly want the criminals punished.
I believe lots of time, money and effort are spent trying to address the root of the problem. so i dont think its accurate to pretend that people aren't trying to solve the problem. but in the meantime, I certainly want the criminals punished.
No, i understand that. People have tried to solve the problem and your right a ton of time, money and effort has been spent doing so. But thus far it hasn't worked very well. But the issues are complex and cant be fixed overnight. It probably also involves the changing of the perception of both those who are poor and how those of us who aren't poor perceive them. However, the optimistic side of me thinks there has to be a way.
I mean, think of it in terms of medicine. Im all for new techniques to treat cancer. However, if you can find a way to prevent it in the first place, that is the best solution to the problem. And though folks have spent a ton of time, money and effort trying to solve that problem, they continue to look for ways to prevent it in the first place.
This is all easy stuff to say with no perspective into the environment they live in. Now i do agree welfare isnt the answer. Nor is "bribery." However, i just did a quick google and found that in NYC it costs about $170,000 a year to incarcerate one inmate. So the more people that get incarcerated, the more comes out our pockets which you aren't a fan of. I mean, you could do a lot with $170,000. improved schools, better teachers, after school programs, mentoring, tutoring, parental training..... like i said in my last comment. I think a more proactive approach would help us all in the long run.
So, assuming that figure is accurate, I think the solution here is figuring out efficiencies to knock the $170,000 figure down. To $20,000. Prison should be hell. Perhaps we've made them too soft. Let's lose the gyms and the libraries and the computers and the nonsense. Perhaps when prison is a truly horrific alternative, a percentage of thugs will decide they don't want to go back. And will tell their friends what it's like. Again, increase the natural and correct consequences, and learning will take place. For those that won't learn to refrain from violating others, perhaps prison is the place to be, and the long term residents can concentrate on destroying each other instead of the innocent.
In any case, I'm sure the cost could be reduced dramatically. Locking up violent offenders is not negotiable though. No matter what the cost, it's a bargain for innocent and good citizens who get to live without getting knocked out.
And I don't care about numbers or hackneyed observations to the effect that "America locks up more people than anyone else". You didn't say that but I often hear it. All violent criminals need to be in prison. Forever. Whatever the number. Whatever the cost.
In all cases where we've permitted collectivism to separate people's bad choices from logical consequences, we've been burned. The bad choices get worse, and the costs to contain the damage keep going up.
Keep it simple, clear, and logical. You commit violent crime, you rot in a cell surrounded by similar wildlife. Until you stop. Or until you die. Your choice.
You're acting like black kids are the only kids who jump white people.
What's laughable is the fact that this has been going on in my town, white on white, for a long time and nobody seems to care.
Yup. Nobody gave a damn when it was happening to gay men back in the 80's. But now that its "elderly white people" people seem to care.
My,people seem to forget.
I'm any event,it should be deemed a violent crime.
I'm not sure how fireamrs would work in these instances.
For example,if a young black guy was walking down the street,with maybe a white t shirt and baggy jeanson,can you shoot him because he "looks"suspicious?
How will that hold up in a court of law?
You can't shoot people for walking down the street for being black,and you can't shoot them because you "thought" they were going to harm them.
So,
The only solution is to hire more police and put them on street partol,but due to budget issues,that might not be possible.
Also,many urban policemen are really,really lazy. Sorry,but I had to go there. Newark police don't do crap. From what I see they participate in crime and. Victimize the victims.
The dectectives got an attitude with me because I felt I shouldn't have had to pay for something that the Newark police towed for evidence. I never gave them permission to tow anything. I was at work in a nearby building. When I went out,my car was gone. Newark police didn't even contact me . I had to ask the bodega guys what happened.
I had to pay $500 to get my car out of the towing yard when someone shot my car windows months back(they shot up all the cars in the neighborhood.
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For example,if a young black guy was walking down the street,with maybe a white t shirt and baggy jeanson,can you shoot him because he "looks"suspicious?
How will that hold up in a court of law?
im not sure why you would use this "example" except that you were trying to set up your own conclusion and it forced you to come up with a completely ridiculous example. nobody is talking about shooting a black guy in baggy jeans. we are talking about shooting him if he punches someone. that probably wouldn't hold up in court either but it should.
The "knockout game" is yet another media myth that is super hyped. Case closed
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