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NOAA is not a "liberal" group. It is a government agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The agency is responsible for weather forecast and satellites, marine fisheries, etc. It's one of the more useful agencies out there. NOAA doesn't invest in projects.
Yeah, OP, you are woefully misinformed. I don't blame you because it is a complicated topic.
If you want to learn more about offshore windpower, start with BOEM (Bureau of Ocean Energy Management). They review and approve leases, examine impact studies which include construction AND deconstruction separate from operation. They consider shipping lane traffic, how those shift in response to storms, primary fishing areas, as well as areas of particular interest for human activity, cultural importance, etc. All agreements are with PRIVATE companies, who are required to conduct and submit an environmental impact assessment, which is then subject to review and comment by multiple parties before approval.
And human health impact? Ya' think noise would heavily impact human health 15nm off of the NJ coast??
ETA, if you really cared that much, you had PLENTY of opportunities to weigh in, including the public comment period last year AND the year before, among others. That is just another indication of your ignorance about the project and the process.
Yeah, OP, you are woefully misinformed. I don't blame you because it is a complicated topic.
If you want to learn more about offshore windpower, start with BOEM (Bureau of Ocean Energy Management). They review and approve leases, examine impact studies which include construction AND deconstruction separate from operation. They consider shipping lane traffic, how those shift in response to storms, primary fishing areas, as well as areas of particular interest for human activity, cultural importance, etc. All agreements are with PRIVATE companies, who are required to conduct and submit an environmental impact assessment, which is then subject to review and comment by multiple parties before approval.
And human health impact? Ya' think noise would heavily impact human health 15nm off of the NJ coast??
ETA, if you really cared that much, you had PLENTY of opportunities to weigh in, including the public comment period last year AND the year before, among others. That is just another indication of your ignorance about the project and the process.
Public comment period? What a joke. If you read Murphy's entire plan on this, they specifically talk about their plans to dismiss lawsuits, and override mayors from towns, protestors and the interests from the shore towns. There is zero community say on the windmills, this is being forced on all of us. The Murphy Administration, has spent 4 years changing laws, and packing the courts for all the lawsuits both in the state and Federal level with the assistance from the Biden Administration.
Additionally, much of the health effects haven't been, there are a lot of loopholes and pushing to get this project done in the dark as much as possible. The Biden Administration are holding the doors open for them to get as much as accomplished and as quickly as possible.
Are these the same type of wind farms they have in Europe that are falling apart already and need to be shut down if the wind gets up too high?
Or the ones in Texas where power stops due to freezing, or the wind stopping.
Also, the ones being proposed are significantly larger than any windmills that are currently out on the market. The windmills are being proposed in 3 projects or zone (they are proposing them in small quantities so the public doesn't freak out) which will be in the thousands of windmills all said and done to reach 7,500 megawatts, which would be the largest windmill farm in the world, by significant margin. The largest windmill farm currently is the HornSea2 located in the middle of the North Sea (not close to land), and only has 164 windmill at about 1/3 the size of the ones going in NJ.
As for size reference the actual Empire State Building is 1,250ft excluding the point. The largest windmill in operation in Europe is 488ft, but most fall in the 300-400ft range. The one going into NJ is 853ft.
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If you need clarification about the impact of the current sonar surveys on marine mammals check out The Incidental Take Authorizations granted to wind developer Orsted.
The federal agencies NMFS and NOAA has granted wind developer Orsted permission to harass 16 marine mammal species during the survey phase of construction. Including the endangered North American Wright Whale.
Level A harassment means any act of pursuit, torment, or annoyance that has the potential to injure a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild.
Level B harassment refers to acts that have the potential to disturb (but not injure) a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild by disrupting behavioral patterns, including, but not limited to, migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding, or sheltering.
Level B harassment impacts also may include a temporary shift in hearing thresholds.
Orsted doesn't expect any dolphins, whales or turtles to be injured or killed but they can't guarantee that it won't happen. They only have estimates of the damage their sonar surveys may or may not do. No absolute proof.
You can't call yourself an environmentalist and support wind turbines. You can't save planet by destroying the coastal ocean environment.
It should be quite obvious by now that these offshore windfarm construction projects are killing whales and dolphins at an alaming rate. There is now a petition (I believe it was created by local officials on LBI) to cease the construction projects just to see if it makes a difference in the death rates of these lovely ocean creatures. Please feel free to sign the petition to Stop/Pause Windfarm Construction. Several more Dolphins were found dead this morning in Sea Isle this morning. Enough is enough! This ONLY started happening since these projects started.
It should be quite obvious by now that these offshore windfarm construction projects are killing whales and dolphins at an alaming rate. There is now a petition (I believe it was created by local officials on LBI) to cease the construction projects just to see if it makes a difference in the death rates of these lovely ocean creatures. Please feel free to sign the petition to Stop/Pause Windfarm Construction. Several more Dolphins were found dead this morning in Sea Isle this morning. Enough is enough! This ONLY started happening since these projects started.
There is also NO PROOF that the survey's are NOT causing the deaths. Just because the media parrots this line does not mean it's true.
Orsted and feds admit that they have no control over how many animals may or may not be harmed during the construction period. They do their best to mitigate acoustic trauma but admit they can't eliminate the potential for harm.
Excessive impacts are expected to Common Bottlenose Dolphins. Orsted expects it's survey operations will result in 1,842 Level B "takes". That's a whopping 28.8% of the estimated dolphin stock on the US east coast.
To be clear, Level B refers to any act of pursuit, torment, or announcement which has the potential to disturb a marine mammal in the wild by causing disruption of behavior patterns including but not limited to migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding or sheltering. Temporary TTS, changes in hearing, or temporary acoustic trauma is also included.
So they have permission to adversely, temporarily, impact 1,842 dolphins.
It's not hard to images a pod of dolphins fleeing from the survey area, disorientated due to temporary hearing trauma running up onto the beach and dying.
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