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Thats a horrible thing to say! Just because I am pro union and believe that is one of the things that makes working in NJ so great does not mean I am pro-tax.
In modern day economy, tell me where do you see union doing good for the industry? Union slowly kills the organization and then kills itself.
Give me an example where union saved the organization. If the organization is dead, so is union.
People and companies are leaving NJ because of higher pro tax. 70/80% of that goes to teachers (a rose-bed of union). That will slowly destroy NJ. Then we won't need that many teachers.
I do hope Corzine is defeated, and yet another blow for N.J......the mayors of Secaucus and Hoboken
were arrested this morning as well as an assemblyman....what a disgrace..when oh when will the people
learn. Unions had their day a long time ago, lately I am against unions. look what they did to the car
industry. You can't say the unions didn't have a lot to do with that..they want, they want they want,
but they don't think of the consequences of who will pay for all of it.....that's my take on it anyway, and
I'm entitled to my opinion (at least for now) .
I am against unions. look what they did to the car industry.
The unions did not bring down the car industry, it was the CEO's and their bad decisions that is to blame. You can not make horrible designs and cars with bad reliability and expect the consumer to purchase your sub par product. Many auto companies in foreign countries are unionized (Japan, Germany) and are able to compete just fine because they bring out a product that people want. Many seem to forget that the American auto industry did just fine for ages with the unions until they got greedy and lazy and forgot about the consumer.
What's with all the commie pro-union marxists in this thread?
We don't need unions, all they do is hurt people by hurting freedoms for business.
We should put all our trust and faith in business. The bigger the business, the better. All you commie Marxists, like Corzine, must learn that our nation was founded on LIBERTY, and that FREEDOM and LIBERTY are for the market and businesses first, and then maybe for individuals. The bigger a corporation is, the better they are. Unions are just communists who want to take away the FREE market. In the USA we have a FREE market, which means business can do whatever they want, except for when some commie liberal tree hugger politician decides to take away the freedoms of a business. For example, telling a business they can't hire children is a commie, marxist restriction of the FREE market.
Businesses always care about PEOPLE first. We should trust daddy business to provide for us. Daddy business, give us part of the money we earn for you please! Thank you daddy business! Daddy business, please give me health care! Thank you Daddy business! No, I don't mind paying for part of the health care you're "giving" me, daddy business! Here, take another $40 per pay period, daddy business! You can raise it next year! Yes, Daddy Business is our sole provider and is always 100% fair with us, big corporations only have the best interests of people at heart. Big corporations care about the public and about all their employees, and are always, always 100% fair with everyone!
So why don't you pro-union commies trust the big corporations? Look how the unions strangled GM. GM produced all top quality, reliable cars that were very economical on gas, because GM always cared about the customer and always listened to the customer. Then the Unions COMPLETELY ruined GM. Obviously, no way Honda and Toyota could bury GM just because they made more reliable cars that were more economical - that had nothing to do with GM going out of business. GM went out of business all because of commie Unions, and not because of anything anything at all done by the GM management, who are free market angels who fell victim to evil, commie, pinko UNIONS.
What's with all the commie pro-union marxists in this thread?
We don't need unions, all they do is hurt people by hurting freedoms for business.
We should put all our trust and faith in business. The bigger the business, the better. All you commie Marxists, like Corzine, must learn that our nation was founded on LIBERTY, and that FREEDOM and LIBERTY are for the market and businesses first, and then maybe for individuals. The bigger a corporation is, the better they are. Unions are just communists who want to take away the FREE market. In the USA we have a FREE market, which means business can do whatever they want, except for when some commie liberal tree hugger politician decides to take away the freedoms of a business. For example, telling a business they can't hire children is a commie, marxist restriction of the FREE market.
Businesses always care about PEOPLE first. We should trust daddy business to provide for us. Daddy business, give us part of the money we earn for you please! Thank you daddy business! Daddy business, please give me health care! Thank you Daddy business! No, I don't mind paying for part of the health care you're "giving" me, daddy business! Here, take another $40 per pay period, daddy business! You can raise it next year! Yes, Daddy Business is our sole provider and is always 100% fair with us, big corporations only have the best interests of people at heart. Big corporations care about the public and about all their employees, and are always, always 100% fair with everyone!
So why don't you pro-union commies trust the big corporations? Look how the unions strangled GM. GM produced all top quality, reliable cars that were very economical on gas, because GM always cared about the customer and always listened to the customer. Then the Unions COMPLETELY ruined GM. Obviously, no way Honda and Toyota could bury GM just because they made more reliable cars that were more economical - that had nothing to do with GM going out of business. GM went out of business all because of commie Unions, and not because of anything anything at all done by the GM management, who are free market angels who fell victim to evil, commie, pinko UNIONS.
Would you like to have a serious discussion about unions or do you just want to rant in hyperbole?
What's with all the commie pro-union marxists in this thread?
We don't need unions, all they do is hurt people by hurting freedoms for business.
We should put all our trust and faith in business. The bigger the business, the better. All you commie Marxists, like Corzine, must learn that our nation was founded on LIBERTY, and that FREEDOM and LIBERTY are for the market and businesses first, and then maybe for individuals. The bigger a corporation is, the better they are. Unions are just communists who want to take away the FREE market. In the USA we have a FREE market, which means business can do whatever they want, except for when some commie liberal tree hugger politician decides to take away the freedoms of a business. For example, telling a business they can't hire children is a commie, marxist restriction of the FREE market.
Businesses always care about PEOPLE first. We should trust daddy business to provide for us. Daddy business, give us part of the money we earn for you please! Thank you daddy business! Daddy business, please give me health care! Thank you Daddy business! No, I don't mind paying for part of the health care you're "giving" me, daddy business! Here, take another $40 per pay period, daddy business! You can raise it next year! Yes, Daddy Business is our sole provider and is always 100% fair with us, big corporations only have the best interests of people at heart. Big corporations care about the public and about all their employees, and are always, always 100% fair with everyone!
So why don't you pro-union commies trust the big corporations? Look how the unions strangled GM. GM produced all top quality, reliable cars that were very economical on gas, because GM always cared about the customer and always listened to the customer. Then the Unions COMPLETELY ruined GM. Obviously, no way Honda and Toyota could bury GM just because they made more reliable cars that were more economical - that had nothing to do with GM going out of business. GM went out of business all because of commie Unions, and not because of anything anything at all done by the GM management, who are free market angels who fell victim to evil, commie, pinko UNIONS.
Telling a buisness they can't hire children...... I realize you're joking...but how about the liberal d0uch3bags that think it's the government's business to tell GM they have to hire a given quota of minorities and women....
Political correctness is killing our national economy! We wanted to hire black engineers...but there were not any with degrees. So we took unqualified HS graduates and legislated them into college (for free)...and my white ass paid tuition so they could sit at the "office of minority education" and have their hands held to make sure they we able to meet minimum requirements to graduate. Of course companies then scramble to hire them. DIVERSITY MAKES US GREAT! Is the rally. BS. In Japan the population is overwhelmingly yellow with squinty eyes so race isn't an issue. The smartest people make it to the top....period. Sound ruthless? Lets compare a 200,000 mile accord or camry to an impala or taurus! You'd have to get in the first two and drive to the junkyard to visit the american cars. Japan is kicking americas butt with cars no doubt. (and BTW a version of the "Roony rule" is being extended to state schools in some state which requires the school to interview a minority candidate before hiring a head coach or athletic director - crap)
Get over yourselves people! Nobody deserves a helping hand because of their race alone....thats called discrimination - whichever direction it is in. You socialist screwballs that think we need to make colleges and the workplace more repersentative of the mathmatical percentages of race as they are found in america need to ask what effect this will have on the quality of our national products both due to the advancement of less intellegent, undeserving racial minorities - and the passing over of more intellegent, deserving individuals whos skin happens to be white.
Telling a buisness they can't hire children...... I realize you're joking...but how about the liberal d0uch3bags that think it's the government's business to tell GM they have to hire a given quota of minorities and women....
Political correctness is killing our national economy! We wanted to hire black engineers...but there were not any with degrees. So we took unqualified HS graduates and legislated them into college (for free)...and my white ass paid tuition so they could sit at the "office of minority education" and have their hands held to make sure they we able to meet minimum requirements to graduate. Of course companies then scramble to hire them. DIVERSITY MAKES US GREAT! Is the rally. BS. In Japan the population is overwhelmingly yellow with squinty eyes so race isn't an issue. The smartest people make it to the top....period. Sound ruthless? Lets compare a 200,000 mile accord or camry to an impala or taurus! You'd have to get in the first two and drive to the junkyard to visit the american cars. Japan is kicking americas butt with cars no doubt. (and BTW a version of the "Roony rule" is being extended to state schools in some state which requires the school to interview a minority candidate before hiring a head coach or athletic director - crap)
Get over yourselves people! Nobody deserves a helping hand because of their race alone....thats called discrimination - whichever direction it is in. You socialist screwballs that think we need to make colleges and the workplace more repersentative of the mathmatical percentages of race as they are found in america need to ask what effect this will have on the quality of our national products both due to the advancement of less intellegent, undeserving racial minorities - and the passing over of more intellegent, deserving individuals whos skin happens to be white.
Excuse me, is your explanation for GM's poor performance some variant of "they have too many black people", in the same post that you're getting all self-righteous about discrimination ?
Could you provide a citation that shows that GM had to hire a fixed quote of minorities and women ? My impression based on court cases on this topic, is that far from being forced to do this, they couldn't do so if they wanted to (quotas have been successfully challenged in courts)
This is a fascinating view of how markets work! With few exceptions, every white business lawyer starting his own firm must undercut the price of the older, more established firms to get business.
Embedded in the quota mentality is this concept of special privilege.
Minorities starting out do not have to offer the customer lower prices, as do their white counterparts starting new firms. They get to hunt on a restricted economic reservation, insulated from competition.
The excerpt below is an object lesson in the necessity for careful reading. The slogan and the reality are two different things.
Nov. 23, 1994 Wall Street Journal p B1 Good Counsel For Minority Lawyers
THE COLOR OF LAW is changing, according to Roger N. Gordon, publisher of the Minority Counsel Report. Some 18% of the current first-year law school class is black, Hispanic or Asian. The Washington, D.C., newsletter advises aspiring lawyers of color on getting the most out of corporate initiatives to engage more minority lawyers as outside counsel.
Some 200 major corporations and 300 to 400 minority partners and minority-owned law firms participate in programs begun by the black American Bar Association. Other companies are using more minority lawyers, Mr. Gordon says, as the movement has gone "from a 'good thing to do' to being an intrinsic part of strategy for lowering outside counsel expenditures."
Since 1987, General Motors has increased billings with minority law firms and partners to well over $7 million last year, without substantially raising the costs of hiring outside counsel, says David A. Collins, general counsel for GM's Saturn division. Like all small firms, minority firms "are lean and hungry with low overhead and less complacency," Mr. Collins says, but that shouldn't lead companies "into assuming that minority attorneys should be asking for less compensation in return for cracking the barriers."
Mr. Gordon notes that publicly regulated firms and those that regularly appear before urban juries also are using more minority lawyers. He advises minority attorneys to look for a mandate from top management and to examine how it affects dealings with nonminority firms. GM, for example, requires law firms to break out billings by race and gender, and notifies firms of its "comfort" with being assigned minority partners,
Elford...if 1973 is your birth year, and you really have a PhD in mathmatics. I would say that you are just young enough that:
If you're white (or asian) - congrats you got past the affirmative action crap, and you must be very
smart to compete with whites for the fewer number of spots.
If you're anything else - I'm sure you ended up pretty smart, but you didn't have to have
competitive scores to get in, you got a handout and so I respect your
degree less that I would a white or asian person who wouldn't receive
preferential treatment.
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