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Old 08-25-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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Then why aren't these people being hired?
That question has already been answered.

 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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That all depends. I lean both ways on it. LEGAL immigrants need work too.
First of all, legal immigrants came here voluntarily. Nobody forced them to come here. They should get work ahead of most Americans only if they are so much more talented than others who are citizens. Otherwise, they can always get work back home. If they can't? Not my problem.


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Perhaps American citizens should be looked through first, but that could also depend on the line of work. But, legal immigrants, looking for a better way of life, and worked their arses off in their home country to get the money saved to try to come find it, shouldn't be "kicked to the curb".
Why not? There isn't enough work for Americans. Yes they should be kicked to the curb.


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Anyone that wants to argue with me on that, well, unless you're 100% Native American, then I rest my case on the hating of (legal) immigrants...since most of us came from them.
Not hating anyone. Just a statement of stark reality.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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Who are we to tell firms who they can and cannot hire? Do we really want to centrally plan the economy?
The people, the state (of NJ, in this case), and the wellbeing nation come before the nation come before the right of an ultra-rich corporation to get richer. There should be limits on these firms and various other businesses as to their hiring practices and several other matters.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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This is America. Hire Americans first. Do you want the economy to go to hell because nobody in this country has a job?
Again, implicit in this line of reasoning is the erroneously presumption that the number of jobs is fixed in quantity.

Anyone can "create a job" by starting a one man consulting firm and producing something of value. Of course, that only works if you are capable of producing something of value.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:21 PM
 
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Again, implicit in this line of reasoning is the erroneously presumption that the number of jobs is fixed in quantity.

Anyone can "create a job" by starting a one man consulting firm and producing something of value. Of course, that only works if you are capable of producing something of value.

I've got a writing and editing firm, and I would like to take you on as a client...........
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:33 PM
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Why not? There isn't enough work for Americans. Yes they should be kicked to the curb.
And if they're more capable in a particular area than the rest of the people around? Oh, wait...they shouldn't be picked first....because that might stimulate the business that they're working for .

Yes, most came voluntarily. Some for reasons none other than for a change of scenery, others for a better life.

Listen, I'm American. I was born here. I've had family in the US since the Revolutionary War, and before then. I also have family that immigrated here as little as 150 years ago.

I'm sure that your grandparents (or parents, or whomever came over here) would feel rather disgraced at the fact that you wouldn't give them a fair chance.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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First of all, legal immigrants came here voluntarily. Nobody forced them to come here. They should get work ahead of most Americans only if they are so much more talented than others who are citizens. Otherwise, they can always get work back home. If they can't? Not my problem.




Why not? There isn't enough work for Americans. Yes they should be kicked to the curb.




Not hating anyone. Just a statement of stark reality.
Not enough work for Americans? Aren’t legal immigrants Americans? Also, if the immigrants are talented and productive, they will create more jobs in the process. Like elford said, jobs aren’t fixed, they are fluid.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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And if they're more capable in a particular area than the rest of the people around? Oh, wait...they shouldn't be picked first....because that might stimulate the business that they're working for .

Yes, most came voluntarily. Some for reasons none other than for a change of scenery, others for a better life.

Listen, I'm American. I was born here. I've had family in the US since the Revolutionary War, and before then. I also have family that immigrated here as little as 150 years ago.

I'm sure that your grandparents (or parents, or whomever came over here) would feel rather disgraced at the fact that you wouldn't give them a fair chance.

I'm of African ancestry, and my paternal ancestors have been here since the 1700s. My American-born grandparents, btw, didn't get a fair chance either.
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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Not enough work for Americans? Aren’t legal immigrants Americans?


Not necessarily. You can be here on certain visas, or have a green card, and not be a citizen. "Permanent resident" is not the same as "citizen".


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Also, if the immigrants are talented and productive, they will create more jobs in the process. Like elford said, jobs aren’t fixed, they are fluid.


Maybe so......but we already know that lots of these H1Bs are neither talented nor productive........
 
Old 08-25-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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I'm of African ancestry, and my paternal ancestors have been here since the 1700s. My American-born grandparents, btw, didn't get a fair chance either.
And what does the career success of legal immigrants turned US citizens have to do with your grandparents' unfair situations?
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