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Where did I say that we should abolish the entire system? I don't think we should because it serves a great purpose if used in the correct way.
I stated that we have to cut down on the fraud and abuse.
You seem to believe that since we can't abolish the welfare system (which is a correct assumption) then there's no use in fighting the fraud and abuse.
Criminals are always going to be around. Why even have a PD or court system in the first place?
Like I said. You can't come at me with these bull**** arguments. I know the truth because I've seen it firsthand it's not isolated either.
actually I DO think we should abolish the current system. I think we should make public assistance much harder to get, much less financially viable, and linked to much more conditions (as it is the case in a lot of countries in evil evil socialist Europe).
What bothers me with all these debates is the degrading rethoric. Poor people, even those who abuse the system, have a right to be treated with respect and dignity because we are all human beings. But respect and dignity are two things that have wholly disappeared from US public discourse.
actually I DO think we should abolish the current system. I think we should make public assistance much harder to get, much less financially viable, and linked to much more conditions (as it is the case in a lot of countries in evil evil socialist Europe).
What bothers me with all these debates is the degrading rethoric. Poor people, even those who abuse the system, have a right to be treated with respect and dignity because we are all human beings. But respect and dignity are two things that have wholly disappeared from US public discourse.
How is exposing thievery all of a sudden linked to degrading others?
The system is abused in the way it is because the incentives outweigh the disincentives. The people abusing are not completely at fault but theft is never right.
I wasn't specifically calling you out. But please tell me that you see what I'm talking about. The idea of the OP alone is simply despicable and shouldn't even be a basis for a sensible conversation.
I wasn't specifically calling you out. But please tell me that you see what I'm talking about. The idea of the OP alone is simply despicable and shouldn't even be a basis for a sensible conversation.
Yes, the ones who abuse the welfare system and have no desire to do anything to better themselves but sit home, make babies, and continue to bleed the tax payers who are paying to feed, cloth, shelter, and provide medical coverage for these families, should all have a special place just for them.
We'll provide u with all these perks, but you will not have the privilage of blending in with the rest of us all the while bringing down our quality of life.
I'm all for TEMPORARILY helping those out in need. What i'm not a fan of is contributing to couple who continues to have more and more babies just so they qualify for a bigger apt and more money every month for expenses and food. We all saw what happened when they passed a law here in NY stating that unless you have a medical condition, you must either work for your welfare benefits or enroll in a training program. The amount of people on welfare was drastically slashed in the years following. Why?.....Because they didnt have the option of being lazy anymore.
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I know this is not an entirely serious proposal, but isolating the poor anywhere is a terrible idea. The poor are already too concentrated geographically. I agree that there are people gaming the system and that this should be stopped, but I'm surprised in general at the level of anger on this forum directed at poor people, who of course are very easy targets. I don't hear the same level of anger directed at the super wealthy gaming the system at a much greater expense to the country.
I have a friend who feels very strongly that our country cannot afford the safety nets it currently offers. She hasn't worked for more than 10 years and is thinking of leaving her husband due to some very serious issues. I asked if she'd figured out what she was going to do - how she was going to survive--she's not worried, her mother is very wealthy. She very little job experience, no college education, 2 children - if she wasn't born into such fortunate circumstances you'd better believe she'd need Section 8, food stamps, Medicaid--the whole shebang!
I think it would be a great idea. An entire island for people who are on section 8. Now I know there are people who actually need help getting on their feet and therefore are on section 8, but the majority are people who are on it are just milking the system and tax paying citizens. Level the island, build nothing but tall project buildings from end to end, and put them all there. Oh, and eliminate the Verrizano Bridge that way they cant leave. I guarantee you the 4 other boroughs would be a hell of a lot safer and cleaner. Those who are currently living on Staten Island and who are productive and actually contributing to society can move across to any of the other 5 boroughs. While we're at it, let include predicate felons and drug addicts as well. Put them all there.
Anyone else agree?
Staten Island is a good borough they don't deserve punished the way you are suggesting.
I think there should be a limit to all type of aid.
This is why you have generations of people who live on welfare and milk the system.
I have lived in areas where I would go to work and see people hanging out come back from work after a double shift and the same damn people are hanging out with loud music and dressed much better than me.
Yes that is enough to **** me off.
And I don't understand why you would only have to pay like $200 a month and not pay it.
I am for using section 8 to get your life together go to school or find a job. but there are people who don't want to let go of it once they are stable.
I wish I could have a 3 bedroom for $200 a month.
Same for nycha there should be a limit. If you can afford parochial school for your kids, a car and have a job you should not be living in nycha.
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