Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-05-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Staten Island
387 posts, read 680,436 times
Reputation: 238

Advertisements

I read 3 diffrent articles with 3 diffrent stories. However all 3 articles said his hands were on the wheel & no weapon was recovered.

This isn't like the bell shooting where the cops claimed they were going to get run over. The NYPD seems alittle trigger happy these days. I have to wonder if this is because the people they are recuriting aren't meeting the standards the NYPD used to have.

It seems to me when recuirting standards were higher these things weren't happening.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-05-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
23,707 posts, read 30,753,834 times
Reputation: 9985
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Punisher View Post
... I have to wonder if this is because the people they are recuriting aren't meeting the standards the NYPD used to have.

It seems to me when recuirting standards were higher these things weren't happening.
I know a person who does the background investigations on Police applicants and he states that the standards have increased through the years, but the quality has decreased. At one time we used to get military, jocks and people with street smarts. Now were getting electronic age recruits who have low social skills and people who are book smart. Also there is a hidden quota that requires cops to come from certain groups, so even if they fail the background investigation they still may become cops because they fit into one of the hiring quota groups.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
16,352 posts, read 8,097,884 times
Reputation: 9726
Also, you have to wonder what kind of training these cops are getting. Just about everyone that's posted on this thread agrees that in this situation the cops should have ordered the driver out of the car instead of approaching the car with weapons drawn. This way would have been safer for the cops and would have been much less likely to have resulted in the use of deadly force. Did the cops not know this? Anytime a driver refuses to pull over when requested to by the police the situation has escalated beyond a routine traffic stop and should require the use of certain procedures to ensure the cops' safety and minimise the need for deadly force. Isn't this NYPD's policy? And if not, why not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 01:21 PM
 
1,496 posts, read 2,238,429 times
Reputation: 2310
This is a no brainer.

You have an aggressive, bad driver, who was fool hardy enough and impatient enough....to cut off a car full of aggressive cops. Who responded the way the average citizen would like to respond in that situation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 01:51 PM
 
916 posts, read 2,247,034 times
Reputation: 1056
Quote:
Originally Posted by high iron View Post
This is a no brainer.

You have an aggressive, bad driver, who was fool hardy enough and impatient enough....to cut off a car full of aggressive cops. Who responded the way the average citizen would like to respond in that situation.
There for the average citizen will like to see the aggressive cops go to jail for their action just like
the average citizen will have if they respond in the same way. Unless there is more to the story
than what's written in the article.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
19,054 posts, read 13,968,817 times
Reputation: 21534
Quote:
Originally Posted by nightcrawler View Post
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE THAT THIS CRAP HAPPENS.

Our police force needs to be really re-evaluated.

They are all trigger happy!!
There you go with the ALL again... Thank god you didn't become a cop, your emotional control is horrible (at least evidenced by some of your posts here).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
2,871 posts, read 4,792,973 times
Reputation: 5247
Quote:
Originally Posted by vfrex View Post
Its sad, but it IS a fact that a disproportionately large number of cops are killed in traffic stops. The driver made it a hostile situation by running from the cops, and he didn't even voluntarily stop. Plus, there is nothing in that write up that makes me doubt the officer's story that the "unarmed marine" took his hands off the wheel despite being told not to.
It's way too early in this thread to start blaming the victim. OK, the kid made a few mistakes but the cops murdered this kid in cold blood ~ Period!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
7,841 posts, read 13,237,884 times
Reputation: 9247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baby Punisher View Post
I read 3 diffrent articles with 3 diffrent stories. However all 3 articles said his hands were on the wheel & no weapon was recovered.

This isn't like the bell shooting where the cops claimed they were going to get run over. The NYPD seems alittle trigger happy these days. I have to wonder if this is because the people they are recuriting aren't meeting the standards the NYPD used to have.

It seems to me when recuirting standards were higher these things weren't happening.
Can you post the links to those articles? I only read the one in the OP and I think it says something about a drill...yellow I think. If there actually was some kind of drill he was reaching for with intent to use it on the cop then it becomes a weapon. It just shouldn't have happened the way it did.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 03:57 PM
 
12,340 posts, read 26,135,160 times
Reputation: 10351
I'm the OP and I only linked the Daily News article because not everyone has a subscription to the Times and after the 10 free articles, you can't read any more in any given month.

The Times, which I find to be a much more reliable news source than the Daily News, says this: No weapons were found inside Mr. Polanco’s car, the police said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/ny...olice.html?hpw

Perhaps they did find a drill under the seat, but it seems now they are backing down from say he was reaching for it. If I were a cop who shot a killed a driver for nothing more than super-aggressive driving, I might be looking under the seat for any possible "weapon" so I could blame the victim, too, and allege that he was reaching for it.

What was the victim going to do with a drill when cops are coming towards him with guns drawn! A drill in that situation would work about as well as holding a piece of paper over his chest to stop the bullets.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca.
2,440 posts, read 3,431,950 times
Reputation: 2629
Quote:
Originally Posted by vfrex View Post
Its sad, but it IS a fact that a disproportionately large number of cops are killed in traffic stops. The driver made it a hostile situation by running from the cops, and he didn't even voluntarily stop. Plus, there is nothing in that write up that makes me doubt the officer's story that the "unarmed marine" took his hands off the wheel despite being told not to.

Maybe situations like these will force a change in how traffic stops are handled. Why can't the officer just communicate the driver through some motions verbally without having to get out of the cruiser?
Or, hows this: Why cant cops learn more regard for human life that they swear to protect and simply not kill people, as long there is no gun pointing at them??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > New York City

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:20 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top