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This the far edges of the city where there's terrible subway access and few amenities along with the surrounding suburbs Long Island, Hudson Valley, and Jersey.
But I do not think gentrification will go on forever just like ghettofication didn't we'll probably see a slow down in gentrification within the next decade or two all the areas with good subway access to Manhattan are already gentrifying and places Brownsville and South Jamaica Queens do not seem attractive.
You're right, gentrification won't go on forever. With that said, how many people in the 80s would have predicted Do or Die Bedstuy would gentrify? And yet it has. How many in those days would have predicted escalating rents in Harlem? And yet rents went through the rough. Its not impossible for Brownsville or South Jamaica, Queens to gentrifying, particularly if places like downtown Brooklyn continue to develop. As for Jamaica, if NYC decided to build even more casinos and entertainment stuff in that part of Queens (Already the racino in Ozone Park), it could gentrify as well.
You're right, gentrification won't go on forever. With that said, how many people in the 80s would have predicted Do or Die Bedstuy would gentrify? And yet it has. How many in those days would have predicted escalating rents in Harlem? And yet rents went through the rough. Its not impossible for Brownsville or South Jamaica, Queens to gentrifying, particularly if places like downtown Brooklyn continue to develop. As for Jamaica, if NYC decided to build even more casinos and entertainment stuff in that part of Queens (Already the racino in Ozone Park), it could gentrify as well.
Just sayin'.
Yea it's possible they can gentrify and they prob will at some point in the future just like some neighborhoods will turn into ghetto's at some point again in the future for whatever unforeseen reason. And neighborhoods like Harlem and Bed stuy have good public transit and desirable architecture with a still higher crime rate than most of the city even in their gentrified states.
I just don't think that gentrification will continue like some ppl think where it just consumes the whole city I think it's gonna be the areas closest to Manhattan gentrified like how it is now in like park slope, then some slower semi gentrified areas in between like how Crown Heights is, and then the furthest areas remaining ghettos for the near future like Brownsville.
Yea it's possible they can gentrify and they prob will at some point in the future just like some neighborhoods will turn into ghetto's at some point again in the future for whatever unforeseen reason. And neighborhoods like Harlem and Bed stuy have good public transit and desirable architecture with a still higher crime rate than most of the city even in their gentrified states.
I just don't think that gentrification will continue like some ppl think where it just consumes the whole city I think it's gonna be the areas closest to Manhattan gentrified like how it is now in like park slope, then some slower semi gentrified areas in between like how Crown Heights is, and then the furthest areas remaining ghettos for the near future like Brownsville.
Why neighborhoods go up and down in real estate value depends on factors like jobs, desirablity of the neighborhood (amenities) popularity, etc Certainly low lying waterfront areas have been turned into ghettoes defacto as hurricane sandy has trashed their real estate value, and has considerable damped investment.
I don't necessarily think Brownsville will be gentrified, but I was saying it could certainly happen under the right circumstances. Particularly if they continue to develop downtown Brooklyn and a lot of jobs end up being there (Brownsville would be a short commute). Ditto for South Jamaica if they legalize table gamblig and Genting continues to expand entertainment stuff around the Caino in Ozone Park.
The sad thing is the Rockaways were gentrifying until Sandy ended that, ditto for Coney Island.
That's what I was thinking.. I would imagine most would end up in the low-income cities of Jersey since they're close to NY and far less expensive (and too inconvenient to be a gentrification hot spot). In some of these places you can get a decent one bedroom apartment for $800/mo.
Sorry to tell you that Jersey City is getting gentrified, since Hoboken did, however, New Jersey has multitude of areas where the poor can fit easily: i.e., Bayonne, Rahway, Linden, Elizabeth, Perth Amboy, South Amboy, Sayreville, Union Beach, Lawrenceville, Morgan, Aberdeen, certain parts of Old Bridge, Matawan, and Hazlet, and most towns connected to the Route 35 and 36 corridor, as far back as Homldel. Keyport, Keansburg, New Brunswick, Plainfield, plus lots more.
There are multitude of very nice rentals in these areas, is just that the people of NYC do not venture there.
If you go to Mapquest and enter, "Maps of Route 36," it is all detailed there.
Even the corridor of Route 1, which is more central, as far down as North Brunswick has lots of housing for the poor. People just have to do their homework.
BestRentNJ.com; rent.com; Trulia.com, zillow.com, etc., etc. The best place to find them is in garden apartments.....
The poorest of the poor, the destitute are not leaving anywhere. There will always be a strong presence of destitutes and other undesirable elements in this city just like any other big city in this country. NYC is no exception altough progress towards betterment from the crime infested slum which was NYC in the 70-90's ("Classic NYC") been made.
Why neighborhoods go up and down in real estate value depends on factors like jobs, desirablity of the neighborhood (amenities) popularity, etc Certainly low lying waterfront areas have been turned into ghettoes defacto as hurricane sandy has trashed their real estate value, and has considerable damped investment.
I don't necessarily think Brownsville will be gentrified, but I was saying it could certainly happen under the right circumstances. Particularly if they continue to develop downtown Brooklyn and a lot of jobs end up being there (Brownsville would be a short commute). Ditto for South Jamaica if they legalize table gamblig and Genting continues to expand entertainment stuff around the Caino in Ozone Park.
The sad thing is the Rockaways were gentrifying until Sandy ended that, ditto for Coney Island.
The poorest of the poor, the destitute are not leaving anywhere. There will always be a strong presence of destitutes and other undesirable elements in this city just like any other big city in this country. NYC is no exception altough progress towards betterment from the crime infested slum which was NYC in the 70-90's ("Classic NYC") been made.
That's not necessarily true. While there isn't away to make any major large metro area free of poor people, destitute people can and have been pushed out of certain parts of town. In Classic NYC neighborhoods like Chelsea and West Village were total dumps, now they are pretty expensive. Also, with welfare programs being cut, its harder for the poorest of the poor to find places to stay.
In those circumstances, people are often forced to chose, do they want to starve on the streets of NYC, or do they want to go elsewhere.
That's not necessarily true. While there isn't away to make any major large metro area free of poor people, destitute people can and have been pushed out of certain parts of town. In Classic NYC neighborhoods like Chelsea and West Village were total dumps, now they are pretty expensive. Also, with welfare programs being cut, its harder for the poorest of the poor to find places to stay.
In those circumstances, people are often forced to chose, do they want to starve on the streets of NYC, or do they want to go elsewhere.
Certainly, but the poor who already have a place to stay (NYCHA) are not pushed anywhere. Usually a NYCHA apartment stays in the family for generations and as long as NYCHA exists we will have poor governmentally assisted renters. That's the purpose of NYCHA.
Certainly, but the poor who already have a place to stay (NYCHA) are not pushed anywhere. Usually a NYCHA apartment stays in the family for generations and as long as NYCHA exists we will have poor governmentally assisted renters. That's the purpose of NYCHA.
And thats why I can't stand NYCHA and what they represent. What NYCHA represents is the hood lifestyle. No 2 ways about it.
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