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Old 01-16-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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Yeah, that'll work

Nurse: "Here's your Advil and here's your leather strap"
Patient: "What's the leather strap for?"
Nurse: "When the stuff we gave you wears off and the Advil isn't doing anything, you're going to need something to bite down on."
A tad dramatic. There's a pain scale as well as using one's best judgemental given the circumstances presented them. Not everyone needs the strongest painkiller. If ERs cut back on the Oxy scripts, not just reducing the number of pills -- maybe fewer pills will reach the streets.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Because he keeps doing bad things.
OK.

Well I don't pay much attention to this type of news, but I guess I should.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Everything he is doing for the public's health is for their good. As a professional working in an Emergency Room for myriad of years, I observed first-class, the damage these opioids can do to people. And how easily they can become addicted to hard drugs.

Also, many crimes committed in drugstores are the result of opioids addictions.

Not long ago, in Long Island City, an opioid addict killed the pharmacist in a burglary attempt.
TY for commenting!

It's good to hear from someone who SEES IT FIRST HAND, instead of armchair Bloomy critics who have probably never even been in contact with a desperate, dishonest, borderline dangerous painkiller junkie OR who is a painkiller junkie themself, outraged and anxious that Bloomy is making it harder to get a fix.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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They are responsible for their actions and Bloomberg is responsible for his. Bloomberg does not get to say that "the addicts made him do it".
So you really think Bloomy would have made this rule if there WASN'T a public health crisis concerning junkies addicted to painkillers? Really?
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Yeah, that'll work

Nurse: "Here's your Advil and here's your leather strap"
Patient: "What's the leather strap for?"
Nurse: "When the stuff we gave you wears off and the Advil isn't doing anything, you're going to need something to bite down on."


All I'm wondering is how much Bloomberg's PR department pays you.
Although you dispute me on this, even when I have produced sources, there was a time when the FDA did not allow marketing for AND doctors DID NOT prescribe opioids for pain of a lesser class than that associated with cancer or other diseases likely leading to death. They prescribed other medications. Where were the leather straps then? It was only around 20 years ago when a "movement" to more widely prescribe opioids and to prescribe opioids for long-term use started. The addiction rates have skyrocketed as a result (but of course you mocked the PowerPoint presentation I linked to clearly showing that data).

Accusing people of being "paid by Bloomy's PR Dept." shows quite a high level of paranoia. Perhaps thinking about other medications would be helpful rather than always worrying about opioids being freely available to abuse.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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OK.

Well I don't pay much attention to this type of news, but I guess I should.
No, actually you shouldn't.

Unless you're a junkie horrified at the "outrage" of ER doctors in the public hospitals of NYC "only" prescribing 3 days' worth of opioids and taking away your scam for dope.

People who are non-addicts with nothing to lose by this generally do not have a major problem with it, except the ones who are opposed on general principles because they think Bloomy is too bossy or overstepping his boundaries.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:29 PM
 
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Although you dispute me on this, even when I have produced sources, there was a time when the FDA did not allow marketing for AND doctors DID NOT prescribe opioids for pain of a lesser class than that associated with cancer or other diseases likely leading to death.
You have produced no sources and this was never true for as long as opioids have existed.

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They prescribed other medications. Where were the leather straps then?
And what were these other medicines?

You've got the NSAIDS -- aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, etc. These aren't sufficient, and have side effects that make them contraindicated in some cases.

You've got your COX-2 inhibitors (another type of NSAID, actually)... oops, wait, banned for cardiac side effects.

Acetaminophen... not all that helpful, and liver toxicity is a problem.

And you've got your opioids. Those are your major classes. That's it. There's no magic pill with the pain relieving properties of the opioids without the downside.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:52 PM
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People who are non-addicts with nothing to lose by this generally do not have a major problem with it, except the ones who are opposed on general principles because they think Bloomy is too bossy or overstepping his boundaries.
People who need pain medication have something to lose. I don't see why they should have to suffer because others make bad choices (abuse opiates).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley...b_1332511.html

Most of opiate addict crime of people stealing for drug happens not from the drugs themselves but because they can't legally get their opiates (not saying they should, but the stealing is as much a creation of the law as it is the drug).
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Staten Island
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An emergency room doctor isn't a person's regular doctor.

There are way too many people using the ERs to scam pills because they are drug addicts and/or they sell the pills to drug addicts once they fill the prescription. Talk to the cops, the amount of people getting busted for DUI because they are zonked out of their minds on painkillers has risen drastically. It's a public health emergency.

ER doctors cannot know everything about a patient that just walks in the door who says, "I'm in pain!"

Giving 3 days' worth of pain meds in a prescription allows the patient "in emergency pain" time to get to his/her regular doctor or pain management specialist and receive a prescription for a longer amount of time. This ensures the patient who is really in pain gets taken care of, while discouraging the numerous scammers.

Personally, I think this does not go far enough. NYS (not just NYC) should have pharmacies strictly regulate and monitor in real time HOW MANY prescription pills of opoid painkillers a person can get in a month just like they do with OTC allergy/cold pills that can be used to make methamphetamine. To get these OTC pills you have to show your driver's license or other real ID and the pharmacist runs it in a database that shows exactly how many of these pills you have purchased from anywhere (not just his own pharmacy) in the past month. If you had received too many pills already, you cannot buy anymore. This is EXACTLY what should be done with pills like Vicodin, Oxycontin, Roxycodone, Hydrocodone, etc. These pills are just artificial heroin. They are chemical compounds that are manmade that exactly mimic natural heroin. These pills used to be just for cancer patients and patients expected to die soon to kill pain. Then some greedy #^#^(&$ got the idea to give them to EVERYONE and ANYONE with pain and look what happened. Pharma companies who make these things earning record profits and doctor pill mills popping up with the crooked doctors getting filthy rich on addicts. Suddenly you have addicts you never would have dreamed would become them and people crossing the line everyday to using illegal heroin to get the same effects they got from the pills.
I think that database has gone into effect. A database like that has it's own issues. It's a shame that the majority of people who aren't drug addicts have to be treated like criminals when we need to fill a prescription.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Question anything that comes out of New York. They are not at all interested in the individual citizen.
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