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That's the problem with such viewpoints.
Ironically, it is such opinions that will feed into the really authoritative management of the problems under discussion here. It's related somehow, have not figured it out. Something about the lack of critical understandings in favor of "pc" insistences.
Re: Chicago since demolishing the projects (from a friend who lives there)
Q. How are the people faring being integrated into other communities?
A. Not well, for the most part. They built mixed income housing that only the five star CHA tenants qualified for. I believe that may have been ten percent of tenants. Most of the tenants were directed, with section 8 vouchers, to CERTAIN neighborhoods. The neighborhoods (Roseland, Englewood, Austin) were already under-resourced, and the timing with the start of the recession put these communities in a tailspin. Also many of the tenants moved to houses in low income suburbs (Phoenix, Dalton, Calumet City, Riverdale, Harvey), and these ppl did not have cars. Working class and working poor in the suburbs are not happy about this. Crime has gone up in all of these areas and there is a lot of resentment. It has trickled into the school system from what I understand. However, the city "looks" better, now that some of those hulking eyesores are gone. What they don't realize (or maybe they do) is that the removal of the projects and shifting of families doesn't solve the fundamental problem.
Do you have any information besides a friend who lives there? Because someone else can have a friend who think the demolition of the housing projects is the greatest thing to happen to Chicago. Any statistical evidence that crime has gone up?
Have there been studies done on the dislocated former housing project residents? Do the same percentage of them have jobs, or do a higher percentage of them have jobs? Or a lower percentage/ Has anyone polled the former housing project residents to see if they think their lives are better?
Nothing in that article says those murders are connected to the housing project demolition.
In fact, the article says its the highest number of murders in Chicago in more than 10 years. That doesn't say its the worst murders in one year ever. So Chicago has had higher numbers of murders when the projects will still around. That doesn't say anything either, and that's why I was asking if a anyone could reference studies or books on the matter.
Re: Chicago since demolishing the projects (from a friend who lives there)
Q. How are the people faring being integrated into other communities?
A. Not well, for the most part. They built mixed income housing that only the five star CHA tenants qualified for. I believe that may have been ten percent of tenants. Most of the tenants were directed, with section 8 vouchers, to CERTAIN neighborhoods. The neighborhoods (Roseland, Englewood, Austin) were already under-resourced, and the timing with the start of the recession put these communities in a tailspin. Also many of the tenants moved to houses in low income suburbs (Phoenix, Dalton, Calumet City, Riverdale, Harvey), and these ppl did not have cars. Working class and working poor in the suburbs are not happy about this. Crime has gone up in all of these areas and there is a lot of resentment. It has trickled into the school system from what I understand. However, the city "looks" better, now that some of those hulking eyesores are gone. What they don't realize (or maybe they do) is that the removal of the projects and shifting of families doesn't solve the fundamental problem.
Good points.
Also - it is my sense that they certainly realize but do not care, in fact. They are simply, in their view, solving a problem. Granted that the problem needs solving. These are just the most cost-effective methods.
Working class and working poor in the urban context do not like this shifting either. And why should they put up with it.
This is part of the "take the money and run" logic that runs our current culture, has given rise to predatory investment strategies, and so on.
In fact, the article says its the highest number of murders in Chicago in more than 10 years. That doesn't say its the worst murders in one year ever. So Chicago has had higher numbers of murders when the projects will still around. That doesn't say anything either, and that's why I was asking if a anyone could reference studies or books on the matter.
Or, you could live somewhere, become observant and involved in the community, and draw on common sense developed from experience.
Or, you could live somewhere, become observant and involved in the community, and draw on common sense developed from experience.
Fortunately, some people are still doing that.
No one participating on this thread has said they had such involvement in Chicago. The information is all second hand at best (in some cases third hand), and its been filtered through the biases of the people who present it here.
Which is why I asked if anyone had any formal studies on the matter, or knew of any.
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