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What does this all mean for NYC as a whole? To be honest its really stupid that so many people on this city running around with degrees and carrying a huge load of debt, plus compete ting for jobs that pays crumbs. U.S and even to some extent NYC should go back to manufacturing jobs which does not require some sort of college degree initially instead of low paying service and information jobs. Also public schools should train students how to code and tech related skiils, so after graduating high school a graduate can obtain a technical job instead of going to college and then going to obtain a technical job after that.
Besides Cuny's 2 yr CityTech, LaGuardia, Queensboro, and Nassau's CC, we have wonderful seldom mentioned 2 and 4 yr tech programs at Farmingdale State College in Suffolk County, Farmingdale NY.
Entrepreneurs will be needed for NYS's Tech Valley and NYC's Silicon Valley, but they will require the proper training and they will need to hire properly trained, highly skilled workers.
Besides Cuny's 2 yr CityTech, LaGuardia, Queensboro, and Nassau's CC, we have wonderful seldom mentioned 2 and 4 yr tech programs at Farmingdale State College in Suffolk County, Farmingdale NY.
But a lot of these kids want to go to NYU and pay the outrageous tuition.
all these american traitor corporations
are putting the u.s. government in
debt and making the dollar less and
less valuable in this country.
meanwhile, uncle sam is bending over
backwards kissing their butts just to
take what they can get from them to
either keep them domestic or cut them
breaks, so they can sell their goods here,
when they move overseas.
Besides Cuny's 2 yr CityTech, LaGuardia, Queensboro, and Nassau's CC, we have wonderful seldom mentioned 2 and 4 yr tech programs at Farmingdale State College in Suffolk County, Farmingdale NY.
Entrepreneurs will be needed for NYS's Tech Valley and NYC's Silicon Valley, but they will require the proper training and they will need to hire properly trained, highly skilled workers.
Sounds like a cop out if I ever heard one...
Even if their were a sudden influx of students taking up these 2 year tech degrees to close upon the shortages of human capital in American society companies will still outsource many of jobs for pennies on the dollar. They don't have to pay into silly benefits like overtime, pension funds, health funds, vacation funds, annuities, disability, U.I. etc. The Indian and Chinese workers on the cheap. Off shore accounts used as big business tax havens make it the ever more attractive option.
Also these tech programs leave a lot to be desired. It basically provides a foundation to work out off of but even after students graduate from these programs they we still require a good amount of industry specific training. This is more so for the electronic and other engineering based tech positions that you are referring to. The medical and health field like respiratory therapist, x-ray technicians, EMT's, etc. usually hit the ground running and are able to obtain degree related jobs right out of school more easily.
Even if their were a sudden influx of students taking up these 2 year tech degrees to close upon the shortages of human capital in American society companies will still outsource many of jobs for pennies on the dollar. They don't have to pay into silly benefits like overtime, pension funds, health funds, vacation funds, annuities, disability, U.I. etc. The Indian and Chinese workers on the cheap. Off shore accounts used as big business tax havens make it the ever more attractive option.
Also these tech programs leave a lot to be desired. It basically provides a foundation to work out off of but even after students graduate from these programs they we still require a good amount of industry specific training. This is more so for the electronic and other engineering based tech positions that you are referring to. The medical and health field like respiratory therapist, x-ray technicians, EMT's, etc. usually hit the ground running and are able to obtain degree related jobs right out of school more easily.
Your info is not accurate. Let's go step by step. There will not be an influx of students taking these courses because the student would need advanced math and science courses before they finished high school and a start in tech classes at the high school level just to gear their minds for what is ahead. It is very hard to bridge the gap later on.
These jobs are available herein the US and many cannot be outsourced, it is not that simple. Also the health field jobs you named where a person can hit the ground running have stiff competition for the available jobs and they don't pay very well.
Most jobs unless government no longer offer pensions. Overtime pay was practically abolished under the Bush administration and basically now only only exist in government jobs.
My post was in response to manufacturing making a comeback, it is still here but the old fashioned assembly line has been outsourced for the most part. The new manufacturing requires high tech but the student's mind has to be trained at a young age to be able to make choices later on a few years down the line.
Your info is not accurate. Let's go step by step. There will not be an influx of students taking these courses because the student would need advanced math and science courses before they finished high school and a start in tech classes at the high school level just to gear their minds for what is ahead. It is very hard to bridge the gap later on.
These jobs are available herein the US and many cannot be outsourced, it is not that simple. Also the health field jobs you named where a person can hit the ground running have stiff competition for the available jobs and they don't pay very well.
You did not mention the degree in mortuary science offered by Nassau CC. That surely can't be outsourced!
That said, many of these technical fields actually pay very low. There was one table that showed the average salary of AA-CE Techs was around $40K/year. An OpEd article in the NY Times mentioned that factory machinist jobs paid less than McDonalds manager positions.
However, these fields also allow people to graduate with a lot less debt and more financial flexibility than they would by studying an arts program in a private university.
Your info is not accurate. Let's go step by step. There will not be an influx of students taking these courses because the student would need advanced math and science courses before they finished high school and a start in tech classes at the high school level just to gear their minds for what is ahead. It is very hard to bridge the gap later on.
You're right, to a degree. Most people don't have a strong enough background in math, but all thats needed is college algebra or above to get into aforementioned programs without some type remedial work. I would know because I attended city tech school and my first major (before I switched out) was electrical engineering technology.
Secondly, I never stated there would be a huge influx, it's was a hypothetical statement as the wording clearly indicates. (If, not when)
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These jobs are available herein the US and many cannot be outsourced, it is not that simple. Also the health field jobs you named where a person can hit the ground running have stiff competition for the available jobs and they don't pay very well.
Tech jobs are being outsourced to foreigners because of corporate greed and their cost/benefits analysis model. Issuing H1B and L1 visas to high qualified, but cheaper labor. It's an easy way to circumvent the hiring American workers. These workers usually send money back home, inflating GDP levels while crippling the economy by take money out and not paying taxes on earned income if they don't meet the in country time requirements.
"Paid well" is subjective. They can make easily make an average U.S. salary ~40-50k, after a couple years. EMT's if they upgrade from basic certification or into paramedics. Respiratory therapist can pull in 50-60k a year. Not bad for only 2 years of college or so IMO.
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Most jobs unless government no longer offer pensions. Overtime pay was practically abolished under the Bush administration and basically now only only exist in government jobs.
Overtime is a federal requirement last I check via the Fair Labor Standards Act. Some jobs are exempt but not all (tech) jobs. There are many positions that don't pay it because they are salaried job but many others jobs that still pay prevailing wages
But I digress... it's a moot point. My point was to give examples of the reasons why American labor is inherently more expensive than outsourced labor in other countries.
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My post was in response to manufacturing making a comeback, it is still here but the old fashioned assembly line has been outsourced for the most part. The new manufacturing requires high tech but the student's mind has to be trained at a young age to be able to make choices later on a few years down the line.
High tech can be outsourced (as explained above) but I agree on the inferred point at there having to be some type of educational reform to stop the hemorrhaging of jobs from our economy. High tech is the wave of the future.
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