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Those Italians you seek are all located in parts of NJ, South Shore SI, and South Shore LI, with some in a few areas of Westchester.
And Southwest Brooklyn. According to city-data self-reported ancestries...
Dyker Heights: 36% Italian (#1 ethnicity)
Bay Ridge/Fort Hamilton: 15% Italian (#1 ethnicity)
S. Bensonhurst/Bath Beach: 18% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
N. Bensonhurst: 14% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
Gravesend: 16% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
Italian's (be it national or Americanized) for whatever reason tend to be very specific about sticking within their own kind, and moving in droves at the first sight of non-whites moving into their neighborhoods.
Those Italians you seek are all located in parts of NJ, South Shore SI, and South Shore LI, with some in a few areas of Westchester.
Populated NYC is too full of minorities (this includes hipsters, gays, and certain religions) for them to return.
Reformed Jews tend to follow a similar pattern- ironically both have come to terms with living with one another in a place called Massapequa on/in/atop Long Island.
While mainly white (and much Italian, Sicilian, Napledon) South Shore SI is *slightly* better than it was even as late as the 1980's.
You have gay couples/families, blacks, Hispanics/Latinos and Asians living out there which was something that just didn't happen back in the day. Some towns are better than others (Great Kills comes to mind) and it is by no means extensive, but there you are.
Some of the change started when the City removed zones for local high schools. Back in day New Dorp, Tottenville and other SS high schools reflected the local area, mostly if not totally white. Susan Wager was the only HS at that time on SI that took kids from both the North and South Shores (and that didn't always go as planned either). Even the private schools such as Monsignor Farrell out there were mostly if not totally white.
Today the public high schools and the Catholic ones are mixed, but really just. And yes, some of the natives aren't happy.
Really odd thing is a good portion of the Italians, Sicilians, and Napledons living on SS of SI are recent arrivals (post 1980's) from Brooklyn. Many fleeing the "changes" in South Brooklyn they didn't like. Old school "Italian" families from both South and North Shores have been moving to New Jersey for decades now. Given high housing costs and taxes in that state you even see them going to PA and further "south". Popular retirement spot has always been Florida for obvious reasons.
And Southwest Brooklyn. According to city-data self-reported ancestries...
Dyker Heights: 36% Italian (#1 ethnicity)
Bay Ridge/Fort Hamilton: 15% Italian (#1 ethnicity)
S. Bensonhurst/Bath Beach: 18% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
N. Bensonhurst: 14% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
Gravesend: 16% Italian (#1 white ethnicity)
Am watching Raging Bull on television (This TV), and you have to hand it to Joe Pesci. He's always the scrappy little guy with an attitude. Quick to take offense and with his hands, which is why nearly in every "mob" sort of film his character is dead by the end.
One other thing has lead to the decline of "old school" Italians in New York City and probably else where as well; changes in the United States immigration policy.
Even in the years after WWII Italians including many poorer ones could still immigrate from Europe to the United States. Once the Kennedy bill became law the focus of immigration to the USA shifted to Asian and other countries away from Europe. Kennedy promised at the time the law would not affect the USA population make up in any large way, but that proved wrong and everyone knew what was coming. Indeed Kennedy (IIRC) eventually back tracked a bit and got a special pass for Irish immigrants passed. Later other such carve outs came for Jews wanting to leave Russia and so forth.
And it's called Staten Island! PS-Italians, Irish, Jews, Greeks etc were never considered white, because whites were WASPs. However, the bar kept getting lowered as demographics changed in this city...at this point the only people who cannot use the term "white" are those who are black, asian, or indigenous/black Hispanic looking.
Right now SI is. But for how long? Is this the end of the line? Or will the earth move under their feet again?
Howard Beach and Staten Island. Where rents are low.
Trust me rents in Howard Beach are not low.
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