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When I see posts like yours, I wonder what the point is of your moving to NYC and wonder if you should forget about it. There are many reasons to come to NYC, but a major one is to MIX - to bump up against entirely different kinds of people and take advantage of the breadth of the city. Otherwise, you might as well just move to Sicily.
I understand that NYC has a lot of mixed neighborhoods now and I'm not opposed to living around other nationalities, but I would prefer to live in a majority Italian neighborhood. I like to be around my fellow people who have the same culture and way of doing things like me. just like I'm sure other people from different nationalites would like to be around their fellow people. Italians we like to stick together that's the way we are and always have been.
Sooner or later what has happened to the North Shore will catch up with the South. Many Italian-Americans will decide things have changed "too much" and make tracks. Some such as City workers who are mandated by law to remain within NYC (NYPD, FDNY, DSNY, etc...) will stay at least until they separate/retire. Then they too will likely join the exodus to NJ, PA, FLA, and NC.
This makes no sense. If Italians were xenophobic, why on earth would they move to PA, FL, or NC which are even more drastic of changes? There are hardly any Italians in the metros of PA, FLA or NC. NC metros are much blacker than NYC, and FL metros are much more Latino than NY.
The only place they could move to from NYC if they want to be w/ themselves is back to Italy. The difference between NYC and other parts of the country is drastic when it comes to Italians.
Born in Italy New York City 169,467
Boston 28,232
Chicago 22,249
Los Angeles 17,037
Philadelphia 16,359
Miami 15,799
Detroit 11,284
San Francisco 10,410
Washington DC 6,172
Atlanta 2,270
Houston 1,735
Dallas 1,304
This makes no sense. If Italians were xenophobic, why on earth would they move to PA, FL, or NC which are even more drastic of changes? There are hardly any Italians in the metros of PA, FLA or NC. NC metros are much blacker than NYC, and FL metros are much more Latino than NY.
The only place they could move to from NYC if they want to be w/ themselves is back to Italy. The difference between NYC and other parts of the country is drastic when it comes to Italians.
Born in Italy
New York City 169,467
Boston 28,232
Chicago 22,249
Los Angeles 17,037
Philadelphia 16,359
Miami 15,799
Detroit 11,284
San Francisco 10,410
Washington DC 6,172
Atlanta 2,270
Houston 1,735
Dallas 1,304
NYC has more than all of these places combined.
Go down to NC, FLA or parts of PA and ask the Italian-Americans formerly from New York or even New Jersey why they moved down there.
You also might want to obtain some better statistic to back up your arguments.
Pretty much all of the Italian-Americans that have moved south have completely assimilated into American culture. Neighborhoods in NYC and Long Island still have a much stronger Italian-American community and culture.
You might want to learn how to read. Clearly noted that it was city, not state.
Point is - Italian population in those areas are small compared to NYC, and even New York State and New Jersey as confirmed by that link you shared. If Italians move, it certainly has nothing to do with xenophobia. If that were the case, anywhere outside of New York would be much worse and they would have to go back to Italy if they want to be with their own.
PS - The U.S. Census is the ultimate authority when it comes to demographics and that's where my data came from. Go dispute it with them.
And that cute little Charlotte meet-up does not change the fact that there are hardly any Italians in Charlotte. It just confirms that they're such a rarity that they have to set up online meetings to find one another. I know New Yorkers are generally over-dramatic and tend to over exaggerate everything, but make no mistake, New York will be the mecca of Italians in the U.S.A. for hundreds of years to come.
The Census Bureau actually keeps track of these things.
From the Census:
Italian Ancestry, Metro Area New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT: 3,246,878
Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC CSA: 83,513 Italian Ancestry, City Limits
New York City: 548,548
Charlotte: 27,164
And the numbers of Italians continually increase if you look back through the years.
There are more Italians in the 10 block tract of 130-140th street in Manhattan than there are in the entire city Charlotte, according to the Census. LOL.
And that cute little Charlotte meet-up does not change the fact that there are hardly any Italians in Charlotte. It just confirms that they're such a rarity that they have to set up online meetings to find one another. New York will be the mecca of Italians in the U.S.A. for hundreds of years to come.
The Census Bureau actually keeps track of these things.
From the Census:
Italian Ancestry, Metro Area
New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT: 2,693,055
Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC CSA: 65,907
Italian Ancestry, City Limits
New York City: 472,530
Charlotte: 21,704
There are more Italians in the 10 block tract of 130-140th street in Manhattan than there are in the entire city Charlotte, according to the Census. LOL.
We are talking about Italian-Americans not immigrants from Italy.
Immigrants long favored arriving to major urban areas where they would find others from their country/region and (hopefully) employment. However successive generations can and often do move once they have established themselves. Again this is why the various Little Italy areas scattered around NYC are shrinking if not vanishing all together.
Italian-Americans are not somehow immune to the high taxes and COL of New York City and New Jersey, thus you see migration. They also are quite aware how once strong hold areas have changed into places they don't like including getting too dark for their tastes. So they pack up and move.
Back in my day Italian-Americans on Staten Island not liking what was going on moved to New Jersey. Well NJ with its high taxes and other problems isn't what it once was either, so now people are looking further south.
Don't know why am bothering arguing with you anyway. YOU are pulling random data off the Internet and probably do not even live in NYC. I OTOH was born and raised on Staten Island when it was mostly Italian. Every major holiday when I drive home more and more the license plates seen on the Outerbridge or Goethals bridge are from NJ, NC, and FLA. The vehicles parked in driveways are becoming ditto. When I read the obituary listings in the local newspaper you see more and more "formally of ......." but died elsewhere.
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