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Old 08-06-2015, 07:15 AM
 
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Good comments and you summed it up pretty well in terms of the current political situations.

Trump is all rough around the edges in his political views and ambition, whoon the other hand extends a refreshing appeal and a faint sense of hope to Americans who have been awaiting changes in the leadership team that will bring about a sense of safety in their future by combatting all the social political and economical issues outlined in your post. One possibility is that the downhill that the US faces might be a problem that no human politicians can resolve while trying to please a complex network of conflicting interest groups who fight to put the candidate into the position first, a political deadlock resulting from the democracy system itself. While democracy does a lot of nice things to human civilization, it has its limits and can be destrutive depending on who it is serving. Some good examples are the backward status and snowballing social problems in India and the Latin countries who have adopted democracy for decades yet you do not see the same effects of democracy on these societies as on others, proving the point that how democracy works depends on one key factor: the people who forms the system, similar to the other societal model and outcome that true socialism/communism can work and exist in some smaller and more homogenous societies like the Scandinavians but will not come true in others like China.


So after identifying the human factor that determines whether democracy would suit the current US, it is easier to understand that a big part of the accumulating social political problems that challenge any incoming leaders of the country derives from the democratic election process itself, during which candidates have to bow and vow to the most influential groups of people in order to win the election. With the constant changes in the US demographic dynamics and makeups of social groups whose interests do not support a healthy and sustainable democratic system, problems will emerge and snowball and you cannot expect leaders endorsed by those groups to be effective in solving them.

Trump might not be the perfect fit as a president but as a self funded candidate he presents an opportunity to break the democratic deadlock that is suffocating this mid-aged empire, which is not possible with any other career politicans. Clearly this country has run out of super politicans for a long while which has hurt the US both domestically and globally. It is time to seek fundamental changes but those career politicians in the box are no longer the answer. The partisan nonsense is another deadlock that creates a growing divide among Americans. Self funded independent runners who have the vision and ability to unite the people and lead them out of a gloomy future outlook should be cheered. Trump may not be an all mighty leader but he has the potential to mark the beginning of a new political era of America.
All Donald Trump cares about is Donald Trump.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Trump is anti-immigration. I am anti-immigration. Thus I feel Trump speaks for me on this matter.

However, I am progressively far-left so NOBODY speaks for me in that regard. (Being to the left of Bernie Sanders is tough road to hoe in these United States.)
So your anti all immigration?
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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So your anti all immigration?
Absolutely.

Whether a ******* wading across the Rio Grande to work in a rich man's garden in Texas, or an Indian visa worker for Microsoft, the United States cannot afford another immigrant (and his family.)

Sign: Go Away, the U.S.A. is FULL
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:21 AM
 
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Absolutely.
Please elaborate how you came to have this position.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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Please elaborate how you came to have this position.

The lack of jobs and the cooked Unemployment numbers from the Labor Department that vastly understate the problem. When everyone who wants a decent job in the States HAS one, perhaps then I will reconsider my position.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:29 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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Absolutely.

Whether a ******* wading across the Rio Grande to work in a rich man's garden in Texas, or an Indian visa worker for Microsoft, the United States cannot afford another immigrant (and his family.)

Sign: Go Away, the U.S.A. is FULL
Agree, and also share your political position.

Sponsoring or even just accepting people for jobs here has nothing to do with helping foreign nationals and everything to do with CASH; predatory profiteering. They can often afford - and/or are willing - to work for less than an American citizen. European candidates for professional jobs, for example, can afford to work for less because they seldom have student loan debt.

It seems that many people do not realize how common shady hires are in the "white collar" positions.

It does remain illegal to hire a foreign national into a job for which qualified citizens can be found - people need to be far more vigilant about reporting these things. Companies, universities, and so on are required to maintain paperwork around each hire. Nobody checks, though, unless complaints are lodged. Similar in logic to claiming "gut rehabs" that intend to deregulate apartments. Nobody investigates until people request investigations.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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And then you have to sit through Bloomberg and Gates whining before Congress that Ameicans are just too stupid to handle the wondrous jobs they both offer and thus many more visas need to be made available (so that citizen tech workers can see their salaries slashed.)

I lived in a huge housing complex where every second household was headed by someone working on visa for the back room operations of Wall street and the big banks. I begrudge them NOTHING, they saw opportunity and took it. But I think Bloomberg and Gates should be horsewhipped for their hypocritical testimony.

And these tech visas should be eliminated completely.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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The lack of jobs and the cooked Unemployment numbers from the Labor Department that vastly understate the problem. When everyone who wants a decent job in the States HAS one, perhaps then I will reconsider my position.
Not trying to hi-jack this thread but don't you think that has more to do with corporate welfare and jobs being shipped overseas?

There are also small businesses and tech startups that are owned/started by immigrants and these are job creators.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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Not trying to hi-jack this thread but don't you think that has more to do with corporate welfare and jobs being shipped overseas?
Of course, it is basically "localized" outsourcing.

Two tendencies that are both outcomes of our increasingly predatory economy and culture.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:29 AM
 
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Not trying to hi-jack this thread but don't you think that has more to do with corporate welfare and jobs being shipped overseas?

There are also small businesses and tech startups that are owned/started by immigrants and these are job creators.
I see it as 2 sides of the same coin.
You can either export the jobs to an area with cheaper workers, or import the cheaper workers to do the jobs HERE.

As for immigrants startups, I think that's cherry picking. More valid in theory than in actuality.
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