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It's a blatant stupidity told above that "poor people" are displaced.
Is it possible to see a few situations of very low income people moving out ? Absolutely.
However, it remains the fact that the people pushed out are largely working- and lower-middle class people. For a spectrum of reasons that lend themselves to simple common sense.
This person does not even understand the actual issues or what's at stake.
Funnily enough ? Right now, on another thread, a very low income person is asking for advice on her NYCHA application because she is moving here from Maryland and feels entitled to a higher priority.
First of all a working class person is POOR!
You can't even rent a room on the minimum wage, and the Housing Authority has not accepted new Section 8 applications since 2009.
It's why activists have fought to increase the salaries of fast food workers and restaurant workers. You simply cannot survive on $8 an hour in the city.
And for that matter in any gentrifying neighborhood Section 8 (if you are already on it) isn't enough to pay the rent, and ditto other government programs. Many landlords won't take programs even though it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of how rent is paid.
So yes poor people are being forced out of much of the city, regardless of whether they have jobs that pay poorly or whether they are on programs.
And believe it or not people on welfare do get tired of decaying buildings, and many of them have already moved out of those areas if they had places to go to or opportunities elsewhere.
Keep in mind most cities nationally destroyed housing projects in areas they wanted to gentrify. Chicago, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles. For that matter NYC has leased out NYCHA land and sold a 50% stake in several projects.
But back to this nonsense that poor people don't get displaced, what do you think happens when someone can't pay rising rents? Hint, Hint. The landlord EVICTS them! A person who works and does not make much money is poor. In fact the working class name is a dishonest name, because working class simply means someone who has a crappy, low paid job.
This is very true. This process started to happen in the East Village some 50 years ago finally now made its way to Crown Heights in Brooklyn.
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NYC has been one of, if not the most, expensive places to live in this country for some time now. You have ex-NYers spread out living all over this country. Go anywhere and you'll find someone that grew up in NYC. And even though they might not admit it, most cases they moved out of NYC because they could not afford to stay financially. They may say they couldn't wait to move out of NYC, and call it the pits or whatever, but in reality they likely had no choice.
And even in this current wave of gentrification, ethnic white and brown neighborhoods have been shredded apart at a much faster clip than black neighborhoods. Much faster. You really think more people have had to move out of Crown Heights than say Williamsburg? But the fact that it is now happening to black areas as well it is NYT worthy of reporting.
This is also true. Native New Yorkers have become a transient bunch in recent years. Most told me they moved out due to opportunity, job or from joining the military. I have yet to come across those who left NYC for financial reasons except for those who moved out to PA or the Carolinas. However I knew and have friends who moved out because homes were more affordable else where than here in NYC which don't get you much in terms of square feet.
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I found the below article to be a much more well written piece on the changing demographics of urban cities.
Even though I hate the NYT, this article is very true. I like how they showed a graph that shows white population in suburbs is actually growing, and how white people in the cities are still in fact moving to the suburbs. To contrary belief the white flight is not over and whites from the cities are still moving to the suburbs.
This is very true. This process started to happen in the East Village some 50 years ago finally now made its way to Crown Heights in Brooklyn.
This is also true. Native New Yorkers have become a transient bunch in recent years. Most told me they moved out due to opportunity, job or from joining the military. I have yet to come across those who left NYC for financial reasons except for those who moved out to PA or the Carolinas. However I knew and have friends who moved out because homes were more affordable else where than here in NYC which don't get you much in terms of square feet.
Even though I hate the NYT, this article is very true. I like how they showed a graph that shows white population in suburbs is actually growing, and how white people in the cities are still in fact moving to the suburbs. To contrary belief the white flight is not over and whites from the cities are still moving to the suburbs.
"While many cities are experiencing an influx of young whites, those gains are more than offset by the continuing exodus of working- and middle-class whites. The result is a net decline nationwide of the white share of city populations."
The white professionals and well to do whites are the ones moving to cities. Poor whites are leaving cities. That's what the article is saying.
It also averages together the largest 100 metropolitan areas. Some cities like NYC do have a net gain in their populations. Big cities no longer have industrial jobs and the jobs that have expanded in them tend to require at a minimum a bachelors degree, if not advanced degrees. So the population of educated people goes up in cities, as prices go up.
This is very true. This process started to happen in the East Village some 50 years ago finally now made its way to Crown Heights in Brooklyn.
Even though I hate the NYT, this article is very true. I like how they showed a graph that shows white population in suburbs is actually growing, and how white people in the cities are still in fact moving to the suburbs. To contrary belief the white flight is not over and whites from the cities are still moving to the suburbs.
In NYC the white population is growing in NYC and shrinking in the suburbs.
The same is true for other cities like LA, Philly, Boston, Chicago.
Now there are certain cities like St. Louis and Detroit where whites still don't move to the inner city, and this was averaged in that report that showed white flight still occurring. White flight isn't here at all in NYC (working class whites mostly already fled), LA, San Francisco, DC, Philly, or Boston. Even New Orleans got rid of much of it's poor Black population.
In NYC the white population is growing in NYC and shrinking in the suburbs. New Orleans got rid of its poor blacks due to hurricane Katrina, many poor blacks did not return. Some made new lives in cities like Houston which will be the 3rd largest city in the country soon. Houston is bustling.
The same is true for other cities like LA, Philly, Boston, Chicago.
Now there are certain cities like St. Louis and Detroit where whites still don't move to the inner city, and this was averaged in that report that showed white flight still occurring. White flight isn't here at all in NYC (working class whites mostly already fled), LA, San Francisco, DC, Philly, or Boston. Even New Orleans got rid of much of it's poor Black population.
The white flight in NYC is still largely visible. But yes plenty of whites not from NYC are moving in. But it only equates to a small growth of white population.
In NYC the white population is growing in NYC and shrinking in the suburbs.
The same is true for other cities like LA, Philly, Boston, Chicago.
Now there are certain cities like St. Louis and Detroit where whites still don't move to the inner city, and this was averaged in that report that showed white flight still occurring. White flight isn't here at all in NYC (working class whites mostly already fled), LA, San Francisco, DC, Philly, or Boston. Even New Orleans got rid of much of it's poor Black population.
the highly educated and wealthy have less children.
This is also visible in cities. Yes lots of people start families but educted people of all races have less children.
Many still do move to the suburbs when their children get older.
The white flight in NYC is still largely visible. But yes plenty of whites not from NYC are moving in. But it only equates to a small growth of white population.
It's probably not a mass of people to the suburbs but it still does happen as with other groups too.
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