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Old 04-15-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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DeBlasio is an idiot
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Old 04-15-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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Economic integration should come first, and after that ethnic integration MAY follow. Study after study has shown that while being poor certainly isn't a day at the beach, it's the CONCENTRATION of poverty that is bad for the city. Huge numbers of poor people in close proximity correlates with higher crime, worse schools, lousy retail, etc. So for me, mixed-income housing is definitely the way to go.

The problem isn't so much getting white people to live next door to black people. It's getting middle-income people to live next door to poor people--even a fairly small number of poor people. Accomplish that on a broad scale and we'll be miles ahead of where we are now.
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Old 04-15-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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"Redeveloping low-income areas can increase diversity by bringing in higher-income residents. But it can also end up pricing out existing residents. Doing the reverse — investing in affordable housing in more expensive areas — can draw in low-income residents".


"the higher rents that often follow development will lead to a so-called whitening of a neighborhood that is mostly black and Latino".

Black and brown folks will bittchh and cry if white people move into "their" neighborhood. Diversity in that direction is a bad thing to them. But they'll celebrate if its black and brown folks moving to white neighborhood. Double standard anyone?
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Old 04-15-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Economic integration should come first, and after that ethnic integration MAY follow.
Economic integration requires educations in order to attain high paying jobs. It takes many years to acquire. For hard working immigrants of all colors it usually the second generation that is able to reach the status of upper middle class. Given the speed of modern day capital flow many families are unable to catch up to how quickly a neighborhood gentrifies. Mixed income inclusion areas lower crimes, but it doesn't solve the economic inequality issue. Poor underrepresented minorities of color need to embrace education and take responsibility over their own education in order to improve their economic situation.
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Old 04-15-2016, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Glendale NY
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"Segregation" is what makes NYC interesting in the first place. You think Chinatown would be interesting if Chinese people were the minority there?

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Old 04-15-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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"Segregation" is what makes NYC interesting in the first place. You think Chinatown would be interesting if Chinese people were the minority there.
Very true, but the dictators want us all just eating chicken fingers and mac & cheese.
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Old 04-15-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Typical liberals trying to cram their ideologies down your throats. They think they know what's best for you.
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Old 04-15-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Pease explain other than with a ....
It appears that that quote is used to keep people separate. Now, one can make the argument that Malcolm, in his early activist years, did argue for 'separation'. But that separation was from a self-control point of view, not a control by the establishment, or government. Segregation was controlled separation. Malcolm argued that integration had not only a lot of unintended consequences, but it was still control. That's why he used the coffee in cream analogy.
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Old 04-15-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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It appears that that quote is used to keep people separate. Now, one can make the argument that Malcolm, in his early activist years, did argue for 'separation'. But that separation was from a self-control point of view, not a control by the establishment, or government. Segregation was controlled separation. Malcolm argued that integration had not only a lot of unintended consequences, but it was still control. That's why he used the coffee in cream analogy.
The quote was used in the context that the white man had no place in the movement towards freedom. And if freedom was to be found, that it would be done so from within the community. Not by the infiltration of outsiders. If you don't think deBlasio, with his belief in large overpowering central government, is a white man, than I don't think you'll even be in agreement with the conservative thoughts of Malcolm X. DeBlasio's good intentions will have terrible consequences.
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Old 04-15-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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Let's get something straight first. These so called "white" neighborhoods aren't like the places some of us grew up in. With the exception of Howard Beach and parts of SI, most traditional white areas are gone. These were populated mostly by Italians, Irish, Jews and Germans/Poles. Today's "white" neighborhood, places like that cesspool Williamsburg, are populated by midwest transient trust fund millenials.

Run Forest Run!!!
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