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Most of the gentrifying areas of Brooklyn are fairly close to Manhattan, so please spare me with this people are choosing Brooklyn over Manhattan. They're choosing select areas of Brooklyn over Manhattan. They're definitely not moving deep into Brooklyn in droves. East New York is an example of an area further into Brooklyn than your Park Slope, your Williamsburg, your Bushwick, your Greenpoint, DUMBO, etc. East New York has always been a slum for the most part because it was out of the way, and it still is today, regardless of how many transit lines run to it. This is a stupid move, and you trying to spin it with the gentrification line is just as stupid. Are you a developer? You've been doing nothing but speculating on poor neighborhoods as if you get delight over people being gentrified out of their neighborhoods.
Thank you!
NYT and other media sources are full of *true* stories of those "displaced" from downtown areas of Brooklyn fleeing to NJ, Westchester or Long Island rather than go into East Brooklyn, especially ENY.
ENY does not now have nor likely will for the foreseeable future have the sort of infrastructure and amenities those at or above a certain socio-economic demographic seek when choosing a home. High quality schools and other things for children top off that list.
NYT and other media sources are full of *true* stories of those "displaced" from downtown areas of Brooklyn fleeing to NJ, Westchester or Long Island rather than go into East Brooklyn, especially ENY.
ENY does not now have nor likely will for the foreseeable future have the sort of infrastructure and amenities those at or above a certain socio-economic demographic seek when choosing a home. High quality schools and other things for children top off that list.
Not everyone has children, and when neighborhoods gentrify in the early stages children are not even a factor. At that stage childless young adults are the first pioneers. While many may move on, others do end up staying, with children. Some of these people who work in the creative sector have flexible work schedules and could home school. Or they can ban together and open up new schools.
Not everyone has children, and when neighborhoods gentrify in the early stages children are not even a factor. At that stage childless young adults are the first pioneers. While many may move on, others do end up staying, with children. Some of these people who work in the creative sector have flexible work schedules and could home school. Or they can ban together and open up new schools.
Oh just stop already with the rhetoric. East New York is surrounded by Brownsville and Canarsie. Both neighborhoods couldn't be further from Manhattan (in fact Brownsville is closer to Manhattan than East New York). There is nothing about any of those three neighborhoods that are remotely interesting for them to gentrify. They are FAR from Manhattan, and Brownsville and East New York are two of the most crime ridden poorest neighborhoods around. Canarsie is only slightly better in parts.
That's like saying that Far Rockaway is gentrifying. It's a joke.
And this is bad because? It's a lot more expensive to house social services, government, and non profit operations in prime real estate. Also this would put operations near the people who use them/are clients on them.
The government buildings are run down anyway, and they need gut renovations/tear downs so this is only a matter of time.
Who said it was bad. I didn't. I was simply pointing out that the primary goal has nothing to do with spurring development in E New York as you seemed to claim in your thread title.The goal is simply to move an undesirable element out of downtown Brooklyn.
Not everyone has children, and when neighborhoods gentrify in the early stages children are not even a factor. At that stage childless young adults are the first pioneers. While many may move on, others do end up staying, with children. Some of these people who work in the creative sector have flexible work schedules and could home school. Or they can ban together and open up new schools.
For all but the poorest "pioneers" there are plenty of housing options outside of ENY, so much so LL's are offering a vast and bewildering array of incentives to get such market rate tenants.
All over Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn and parts of Queens developers/LL's are pulling out all the stops to get or retain tenants who can pay market rate with various levels of success. Meanwhile the "poor" are creating stampedes to each "affordable" housing lottery ; pestering workers and building staff etc....
You can continue with your PR promotion for East New York all you like; no one is going to move out there besides more of those who already reside.
The place is a hood, and it would take an effort short of the Marshall Plan if not equal to change, and even then outcome would not be certain.
For all but the poorest "pioneers" there are plenty of housing options outside of ENY, so much so LL's are offering a vast and bewildering array of incentives to get such market rate tenants.
All over Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn and parts of Queens developers/LL's are pulling out all the stops to get or retain tenants who can pay market rate with various levels of success. Meanwhile the "poor" are creating stampedes to each "affordable" housing lottery ; pestering workers and building staff etc....
You can continue with your PR promotion for East New York all you like; no one is going to move out there besides more of those who already reside.
The place is a hood, and it would take an effort short of the Marshall Plan if not equal to change, and even then outcome would not be certain.
For all but the poorest "pioneers" there are plenty of housing options outside of ENY, so much so LL's are offering a vast and bewildering array of incentives to get such market rate tenants.
All over Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn and parts of Queens developers/LL's are pulling out all the stops to get or retain tenants who can pay market rate with various levels of success. Meanwhile the "poor" are creating stampedes to each "affordable" housing lottery ; pestering workers and building staff etc....
You can continue with your PR promotion for East New York all you like; no one is going to move out there besides more of those who already reside.
The place is a hood, and it would take an effort short of the Marshall Plan if not equal to change, and even then outcome would not be certain.
There's no doubt that East New York is hood. Even in its far off past it was working class at best and it had a strong criminal element.
However, the idea of trying to change that isn't a terrible one. Downtown Brooklyn is highly accessible, but the next most accessible by transit area of Brooklyn is the area around Broadway Junction which would mostly be an uncrowded reverse commute and given that social services are a large part of what the borough and city government functions in downtown Brooklyn are just as much geared, if not more so, towards serving the poor and working class, the location of some services there isn't ridiculous.
The borough currently has a lot of property in downtown Brooklyn, and I don't think they should sell most of it. However, there can be a sensible way of leasing out some of the more dilapidated space to private commercial entities to get funding to rehabilitate parts of those buildings as well as to build new ones within East New York isn't that far-fetched. The employment base means basic things like more day to day foot traffic and the businesses to serve the morning, lunch, and just after work crowds will increase considerably for East New York which is altogether a decent proposition and one that's hard to get private sector employers behind, but something that city government with its own employees can dictate and set the initial pace for. It'd have to come with greater police enforcement and presence in the area, but I don't see that as being a bad thing. Broadway Junction area itself is silly for people of at least moderate means to move to, but the discussion is about a place of employment not residence. To me, it seems like people are more inclined to move to Cypress Hills near Woodhaven than that area which makes some sort of sense despite being even further out from Manhattan.
Also keep in mind, any move like this, even in earnest, would take something like 5 to 20 years to happen. It's possible things will have shifted a bit by then.
This does make more sense if the 3/4/L transfer station, the Triboro RX, and/or an integrated CityTicket at all times option happens. The former is slated to happen within the next few years. The Triboro RX is definitely a pipedream at this point, but it'd make the endeavor really, really sensible.
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Of course I remember when NYC was declared dead and even prime parts of Manhattan were never going to get better. I'm wagering some of you were the types of people who would have said the same things.
How's that working out for you?
Many of you, who are older probably should have bought in neighborhoods that were considered awful in the 90s. Investors in Harlem, Williamsburg, LIC (LIC was pretty bad then) Hells Kitchen were people who rejected the conventional notion that these neighborhoods were condemned to permanent poverty, and they and their families were handsomely rewarded.
If anything some of you clearly did miss your boat.
Of course I remember when NYC was declared dead and even prime parts of Manhattan were never going to get better. I'm wagering some of you were the types of people who would have said the same things.
How's that working out for you?
Many of you, who are older probably should have bought in neighborhoods that were considered awful in the 90s. Investors in Harlem, Williamsburg, LIC (LIC was pretty bad then) Hells Kitchen were people who rejected the conventional notion that these neighborhoods were condemned to permanent poverty, and they and their families were handsomely rewarded.
If anything some of you clearly did miss your boat.
Most of us that have posted in this thread are doing just fine. BugsyPal lives on the Upper East Side. I have two residences and the others don't exactly seem to be struggling, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. We don't need to speculate because can afford the areas that we live in.
Most of us that have posted in this thread are doing just fine. BugsyPal lives on the Upper East Side. I have two residences and the others don't exactly seem to be struggling, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. We don't need to speculate because can afford the areas that we live in.
BugsyPal also knows a lot about dumpster diving. I think he's an old person living in a rent controlled apartment.
Oh, and the investors who bought in Harlem, Bedstuy, etc in the 90s or 80s in many cases did live in nice places. But these were risk taking investors, who have the mindset of buy low and sell high.
Clearly you aren't a risk taker. But those are the types of people who ultimately make money and find success, as well as enjoy their lives.
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We don't need to speculate because can afford the areas that we live in.
