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Uh no, that's simply not true unless your idea of a very large portion of the city differs greatly from mine and probably most other people. The majority of people living in NYC, including those outside Manhattan (and Manhattan is still part of the city last I checked) are within walking distance (15 minutes or less) of a subway station. Then there are people living within walking distance of semi-frequent LIRR or Metro-North stations ...
25% of the city does not live within walking distance of a train station, that equals over 2 million people.
Almost half of Queens does not live near a subway.
LIRR and Metro North are different systems with different fare rules, irrelevant to the discussion, especially since most of them are already near subway lines.
25% of the city does not live within walking distance of a train station, that equals over 2 million people.
Almost half of Queens does not live near a subway.
LIRR and Metro North are different systems with different fare rules, irrelevant to the discussion, especially since most of them are already near subway lines.
Okay. If I write the majority of people in NYC live within walking distance of a train station and then you cite an article that states 25% of the ciry does not live within walking distance of a train station, then I have to wonder what your definition of majority means. To me, it means over 50% with the general implication being that it’s at least several percentage points higher than that otherwise it makes sense to qualify that statement. If 25% of the city is not within walking distance of a station, then that likely works out to 75% of the city does which I think most people would take as clearly a majority.
And yes, Metro-North and LIRR are different system though they should be moving towards operating more like express rapid transit lines in the urban core. At least CityTicket and the recent Atlantic Ticket programs are making them somewhat more reasonable for city usage. There’s also several express bus lines.
Anyhow, the overarching point is that it is generally far easier to live without a car and to eschew all the costs associated with such in NYC for generally lower transit fees than anywhere else in the US, and in comparison to the vast majorty of the US, by a massive margin and this holds for even portions of the city that are not within walking distance of a subway station.
Okay. If I write the majority of people in NYC live within walking distance of a train station and then you cite an article that states 25% of the ciry does not live within walking distance of a train station, then I have to wonder what your definition of majority means. To me, it means over 50% with the general implication being that it’s at least several percentage points higher than that otherwise it makes sense to qualify that statement. If 25% of the city is not within walking distance of a station, then that likely works out to 75% of the city does which I think most people would take as clearly a majority.
And yes, Metro-North and LIRR are different system though they should be moving towards operating more like express rapid transit lines in the urban core. At least CityTicket and the recent Atlantic Ticket programs are making them somewhat more reasonable for city usage. There’s also several express bus lines.
Anyhow, the overarching point is that it is generally far easier to live without a car and to eschew all the costs associated with such in NYC for generally lower transit fees than anywhere else in the US, and in comparison to the vast majorty of the US, by a massive margin and this holds for even portions of the city that are not within walking distance of a subway station.
My point is it is not an insignificant minority of a couple hundred or a couple thousand. It is over 2 million, which would be a top 5 populated city in the United States. So when you're denying that a huge portion of the city has poor subway access, you are simply wrong. And you clearly have no idea what it is like to live in those parts of the city.
My point is it is not an insignificant minority of a couple hundred or a couple thousand. It is over 2 million, which would be a top 5 populated city in the United States. So when you're denying that a huge portion of the city has poor subway access, you are simply wrong. And you clearly have no idea what it is like to live in those parts of the city.
I explicitly said a majority and I did not say everyone. Your version of what a huge portion means to you maybe differs from mine so I stated a majority explicitly.
And why do you say I have no idea? I’ve lived in LIRR only territory as well as in Westchester all without a car.
You should also understand that even parts outside walking distance of a subway, NYC is still vastly easier to get by without a car than in the vast majority of the US. It’s why I mentioned if this study was using the same kind of rubric across other cities as there are things that as a general rule that differ between NYC and other cities.
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The point is that it shouldn't have to be this way you know? There is enough money, we are producing enough as a whole for people to be able to work and live in the city they work, save a little send the kids to school and take a vacation once a yr. That's not reality tho, the struggle and insecurity are unnecessary.
Spoken like Karl Marx...and from me that is the highest compliment I can give.
Yea, that's not a great play on their part but even the latest iPhone and $200 sneakers are a pittance compared to the cost of home ownership, healthcare, childcare or a college education these days. Those are basically minor frivolities (except a good phone is actually a good career investment in a lot of careers) unless they're buying several multiples of the latest iPhone and $200 sneakers at a quarterly rate. If that's what people are doing, then yea, they need to get their heads checked.
Yes... and no. Wearing $200 sneakers while being poor indicates a certain type of mentality. It shows that the person has his or her priorities wrong, and will more than likely never rise above poverty.
Also, money adds up. $200 sneakers + the latest iPhone + fancy rims + other frivolous purchases = a lot more money than meets the eye.
Regarding a good phone being a good career investment - many times, companies/firms will provide their associates with a iPhone.
Yes... and no. Wearing $200 sneakers while being poor indicates a certain type of mentality. It shows that the person has his or her priorities wrong, and will more than likely never rise above poverty.
Also, money adds up. $200 sneakers + the latest iPhone + fancy rims + other frivolous purchases = a lot more money than meets the eye.
Regarding a good phone being a good career investment - many times, companies/firms will provide their associates with a iPhone.
$200 on sneakers or $200 for your child's tutoring. How much money is spent on weed?
What do people think the poor chinese do? Go to flushing. There are more tutoring centers and weekend schools then any other neighborhood in the city.
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