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The crinkle to that is that it's not all Asian cultures. You can see that in the stats for entrance to these exams which have a really high proportion relative to the population for certain Asian demographics. For the Chinese, whether Mainland, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, my knowledge of it is that public schooling comes with a massive amount of after school work and the large community that wants it means that there are large economies of scale and a lesser social stigma attached to doing so. What that tells me is that if NYC really wants to make a go of it is that aside from all the things we think need to improve schools like the nebulous "just make it better public, private, charter, whatever" is that the draw for mandatory or even available longer after school hours with people knowing that it exists should be rolled out. The costs are hiring people to stay there, but in the context of NYC, that's a small pittance compared to the land and facilities available. It can't adjust and account for everything, but it may be able to make a noticeable dent. This is possibly a good potential additional solution to charter schools which at some level do well by edging out kids who screw up their stats.
Blah, blah, blah.....
People have been running their mouths about we need to spend *MORE* on NYC public schools for the past three or four decades. City and state have *and* things still aren't getting any better for the usual suspects. Only ones who make out like bandits are educators, administrators and others who get their taste.
"The DOE said that since fiscal 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio's administration has invested $4 billion in new education initiatives to improve student outcomes, including the Equity and Excellence for All agenda and more than $800 million invested in Fair Student Funding — a formula that the city developed in 2007 to pump funding into high-need schools. "
City spends GD near $20k per public school student (highest in the nation) and some how, some how the needle isn't moving for some people, and the best you and yours can come up with is we need to spend *MORE*?
Meanwhile religious and other private spend far less and have better outcomes even with the same minority student demographics. Now what does that tell you?
Poster above nailed it; things start in the home. If people's idea of raising up their kids is pushing them out then plopping them in front of a TV with a bag of chips and can of pop, things will be what they will be; period end of discussion.
Asians are same as many white/European, some Hispanic/Latino and Afro-Caribbean demographics. They put a laser beam focus on their kids from day one! Send them to school each day prepared and ready to learn. Back them up with assistance on homework, pop quizzes, tutors and or whatever else it takes. Most of all, MOST of all slacking off and being an idiot is *NOT* tolerated.
In my day it was same for all kids in class; white, black, yellow, coffee colored or whatever; report cards had better be "A's" and "B's", or you got what was coming to you.
If my old man had to take a day off work because *both* parents (and teacher/sisters meant just that) were summoned to school, only to be told things they didn't want to hear; well you had better give your soul to God, because later that day (often literally soon as got back home), your behind belonged to Daddy and his belt. Parents (usually the father) would tell teachers "I'm sorry you're having trouble with him/her, it won't happen again, believe me", and it didn't.
Parents paying for private/religious laid down the law harder because your old man was out there working his behind off to pay tuition.
2 - No junior high schools in the NYC system has in their normal curriculum something that specializes in preparing for this test. It has always been up to the students/parents to take charge of this. The documentary implies that schools with "honors program" are test prep programs is disingenuous at best.
I don’t know how things are now, but in my Queens public magnet school (almost 30 years ago) all 8th graders had scheduled time to prep for the Specialized High School Exam. In 7th grade, we even had lessons to prepare for the SATs for the Johns Hopkins CTY program.
Nearly 900 students were offered a place at Stuyvesant High School this week. Just seven of them were black. As the debate rages over whether the city should change the admissions policy to the eight specialized high schools that use an exam to determine who gets in and who doesn’t, NY1 has re-released a 25-minute documentary following five students last year who hoped to make the cut (Aniqa, Edgar, Gregory, Sarah and Isabella). Some get in, some don’t. Should the policy change?
Eight graduates of the Bronx High School of Science have gone on to win Nobel Prizes. That's more than any other school in America.
At Stuyvesant High School, about one-quarter of the graduates attend Ivy League schools.
Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are two of the eight specialized high schools in the New York City school system that admit students based on one criteria: a test score.
The Specialized High School Admissions Test (SHSAT) determines who will get in the doors of these schools. Approximately 28,000 students take the test, but only 5,000 are admitted.
The schools have long been criticized for not reflecting the city’s overall racial makeup, with only 10 percent of acceptance letters going to black and Latino students...
Vice and Vox media made a similar documentary, but this time it was with high school students who had the potential of going to an Ivy League. The documentary on Vice showed three families two Asians, and the other black immigrant but masked it as African American. The Asians were differed, and the black teen got accepted to an Ivy League school.
My suggestion for African American, Caribbean's, and Afro Latinos. Your best bet is to join federally funded trio programs which can aid those in search of getting into a decent high schools such as specialized high schools or even catholic high schools via entrance exams. Going to a CUNY or a SUNY in the future straight out of public school is not going to help students out on the streets of NYC especially when those same gradates down the line will have to compete with Ivy Leaguers and top private school graduates for jobs. Unless one is willing to take advanced degrees to compete but will add debt to life.
ok, so only 7 black kids got in - I don't understand what their point is. If they want more minorities to qualify they need to improve their middle school education, and more importantly educate the parents on how to develop young students. These schools are for the top performers, if you are good enough then you get in - the test is gender/race blind
People have been running their mouths about we need to spend *MORE* on NYC public schools for the past three or four decades. City and state have *and* things still aren't getting any better for the usual suspects. Only ones who make out like bandits are educators, administrators and others who get their taste.
"The DOE said that since fiscal 2015, Mayor Bill de Blasio's administration has invested $4 billion in new education initiatives to improve student outcomes, including the Equity and Excellence for All agenda and more than $800 million invested in Fair Student Funding — a formula that the city developed in 2007 to pump funding into high-need schools. "
City spends GD near $20k per public school student (highest in the nation) and some how, some how the needle isn't moving for some people, and the best you and yours can come up with is we need to spend *MORE*?
Meanwhile religious and other private spend far less and have better outcomes even with the same minority student demographics. Now what does that tell you?
Poster above nailed it; things start in the home. If people's idea of raising up their kids is pushing them out then plopping them in front of a TV with a bag of chips and can of pop, things will be what they will be; period end of discussion.
Asians are same as many white/European, some Hispanic/Latino and Afro-Caribbean demographics. They put a laser beam focus on their kids from day one! Send them to school each day prepared and ready to learn. Back them up with assistance on homework, pop quizzes, tutors and or whatever else it takes. Most of all, MOST of all slacking off and being an idiot is *NOT* tolerated.
In my day it was same for all kids in class; white, black, yellow, coffee colored or whatever; report cards had better be "A's" and "B's", or you got what was coming to you.
If my old man had to take a day off work because *both* parents (and teacher/sisters meant just that) were summoned to school, only to be told things they didn't want to hear; well you had better give your soul to God, because later that day (often literally soon as got back home), your behind belonged to Daddy and his belt. Parents (usually the father) would tell teachers "I'm sorry you're having trouble with him/her, it won't happen again, believe me", and it didn't.
Parents paying for private/religious laid down the law harder because your old man was out there working his behind off to pay tuition.
Eh, put the money down so that the offspring of layabout parents don't create more layabout kids. Parents and community are absolutely important, so finding a way that an external force, such as the public school system, to try to correct for bad or negligent parenting is one of the only humane and legal solutions.
Now is the NYC public school system particularly good or efficient at doing good work with its money? Eh, sort of mixed results. I mean, look at some of the posters here.
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