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Old 08-19-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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Why? These "crackdowns" happen like clockwork, and mostly are a waste of time and my tax money. Several months later things are right back to same old, same old. But elected officials can do a victory lap patting themselves on back saying they did *something*.
Solving the homeless problem is simple.

Just pass a law that says all public sector employees' pay is docked by, say, 5% any time homelessness exceeds X% or they congregate in the subway system, or... well, you get the idea.
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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I've not taken the subway since last Saturday. Any noticeable decline in the homeless population?
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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Fall weather will be in nyc very soon lets see if this crack down work when the bums try to keep warm first place they go to is the subway!
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:09 PM
 
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Interesting it's not NYPD ...deblasio against this?
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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LMAO!!

The 7th Ave train stop right after 59th street is still filled with bums.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:26 PM
 
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Would you agree that it is not simply an issue of enforcement, though that's certainly part of the issue? The other is how horrendously expensive the city has become which pushes those who are already making a meager living into essentially not making a living at all. When you are homeless and cannot afford a roof over your head, it becomes extremely difficult to hold a job and then from there it is usually a pretty downward overall trajectory. Starting over in a new, less expensive city can help, but oftentimes those who are already at strong risk of homelessness are not in a particularly great position to get a new start elsewhere as that by itself is time and capital intensive.
Bingo!
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:32 AM
 
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Would you agree that it is not simply an issue of enforcement, though that's certainly part of the issue? The other is how horrendously expensive the city has become which pushes those who are already making a meager living into essentially not making a living at all. When you are homeless and cannot afford a roof over your head, it becomes extremely difficult to hold a job and then from there it is usually a pretty downward overall trajectory. Starting over in a new, less expensive city can help, but oftentimes those who are already at strong risk of homelessness are not in a particularly great position to get a new start elsewhere as that by itself is time and capital intensive.

I don't buy this argument at all. The majority of the bums encountered are basically one step above an animal with zero skills that would allow them to afford an apartment. Lowering rent isn't going to get these legions off the streets, nothing short of massive 'free' housing projects will do that and if we go down that road the bums freeloading in CA will migrate this way.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:06 AM
 
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Would you agree that it is not simply an issue of enforcement, though that's certainly part of the issue? The other is how horrendously expensive the city has become which pushes those who are already making a meager living into essentially not making a living at all. When you are homeless and cannot afford a roof over your head, it becomes extremely difficult to hold a job and then from there it is usually a pretty downward overall trajectory. Starting over in a new, less expensive city can help, but oftentimes those who are already at strong risk of homelessness are not in a particularly great position to get a new start elsewhere as that by itself is time and capital intensive.
This would probably cover a small percentage of the homeless population.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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Would you agree that it is not simply an issue of enforcement, though that's certainly part of the issue? The other is how horrendously expensive the city has become which pushes those who are already making a meager living into essentially not making a living at all. When you are homeless and cannot afford a roof over your head, it becomes extremely difficult to hold a job and then from there it is usually a pretty downward overall trajectory. Starting over in a new, less expensive city can help, but oftentimes those who are already at strong risk of homelessness are not in a particularly great position to get a new start elsewhere as that by itself is time and capital intensive.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. The vast majority of homeless people living in the subways are not the type that can get hired at, and hold down, a job. If you owned a business, would you hire them? Probably not.

I certainly think that there needs to be a second step after enforcement, or else they would simply come back, and you end up removing the same people over and over again. But I don't think job training is the way to go.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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I'd have to respectfully disagree. The vast majority of homeless people living in the subways are not the type that can get hired at, and hold down, a job. If you owned a business, would you hire them? Probably not.

I certainly think that there needs to be a second step after enforcement, or else they would simply come back, and you end up removing the same people over and over again. But I don't think job training is the way to go.
I agree.

It seems to me the best solution is to pay them to voluntarily move elsewhere -- preferably to an island such as American Samoa (USA), Guam (USA), Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (USA), or Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands (USA).

Or, better yet, pay them to leave the USA altogether.
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