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Old 09-09-2019, 10:23 AM
 
Location: NYC/Boston/Fairfield CT
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I know that there are a lot of passionate opinions being exchanged here, however I do question the motivations of people. While I am not a fan of De Blasio, can anyone provide some factual information regarding how is 2X terms in office have led to a decline in NYC. I am talking crime stats, quality of life data (311 calls etc.)?

I (registered Republican) was a huge fan of Giuliani and Bloomberg, however the fact that NYPD has a bad relationship with De Blasio or the fact that he spent a total of 7 hours at City Hall in May does not translate into the City going downhill, unless there is quantifiable data to support this view. Besides, the Republican brand is so tarnished in NYC, that a moderate Democrat or an Independent is the best shot for the remaining conservatives.
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:45 PM
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I know that there are a lot of passionate opinions being exchanged here, however I do question the motivations of people. While I am not a fan of De Blasio, can anyone provide some factual information regarding how is 2X terms in office have led to a decline in NYC. I am talking crime stats, quality of life data (311 calls etc.)?

I (registered Republican) was a huge fan of Giuliani and Bloomberg, however the fact that NYPD has a bad relationship with De Blasio or the fact that he spent a total of 7 hours at City Hall in May does not translate into the City going downhill, unless there is quantifiable data to support this view. Besides, the Republican brand is so tarnished in NYC, that a moderate Democrat or an Independent is the best shot for the remaining conservatives.

A registered Republican can't see what's happening in NYC? I don't believe the crime stats at all, they are manipulated. Quality of life? Have you been in the subway lately, or on the street?


The fact that NYC is running better without Mayor Putz makes the point. We're better off without him running things.



Registered republican? Are you sure?
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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To think that Bloomberg and Giuliani are the same is sheer stupidity. Giuliani is a clown and but for 9/11 would be a tragic old man struggling to make child support payments. He tried to stick on, citing 9/11 and NYers were NOT having it.


Bloomberg will at least listen to those who aren't part of his world. Giuliani was a polarizing monster.


Btw crime remains far lower now than it was in the Giuliani era. Yes one can reduce crime without shooting black men 26 times because they pulled out their ID as they were commanded to do.
The best thing that ever happened to NYC was Rudy beating Dinkins. Yes, Rudy can be a real scumbag, and Dinkins was nothing but a gentleman. But those characteristics don't qualify or disqualify you from being an effective mayor. The murder rate PLUMMETED under Rudy and it was because of Rudy. Dinkins was clueless.
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:44 PM
 
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The best thing that ever happened to NYC was Rudy beating Dinkins. Yes, Rudy can be a real scumbag, and Dinkins was nothing but a gentleman. But those characteristics don't qualify or disqualify you from being an effective mayor. The murder rate PLUMMETED under Rudy and it was because of Rudy. Dinkins was clueless.
Can we get some numbers on that?
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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I don't believe the crime stats at all, they are manipulated

So instead of operating on facts you rely on FEELINGS (or voices inside your head, like your president.)
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I know that there are a lot of passionate opinions being exchanged here, however I do question the motivations of people. While I am not a fan of De Blasio, can anyone provide some factual information regarding how is 2X terms in office have led to a decline in NYC. I am talking crime stats, quality of life data (311 calls etc.)?

I (registered Republican) was a huge fan of Giuliani and Bloomberg, however the fact that NYPD has a bad relationship with De Blasio or the fact that he spent a total of 7 hours at City Hall in May does not translate into the City going downhill, unless there is quantifiable data to support this view. Besides, the Republican brand is so tarnished in NYC, that a moderate Democrat or an Independent is the best shot for the remaining conservatives.
Current NYC budget is projected to be $96 billion, that's all you need to know. Forget about the corruption/bribery or even his wife's dealings. To put it in perspective, De Blasio increased government spending by around the whole budget of Los Angeles with very little results to show for it.
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: NYC
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NYC will go through another down period where spending will be high, crime will rise, and people fleeing while more criminals move in. It's cyclical.

It's not a bad thing if you're young because you can wait for all this to play itself out in 10-15 years and see if NYC gets really bad or stays the same. If it gets bad, then it's a good time to get back to NYC and buy up some cheap properties later on.
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Old 09-13-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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NYC will go through another down period where spending will be high, crime will rise, and people fleeing while more criminals move in. It's cyclical.

It's not a bad thing if you're young because you can wait for all this to play itself out in 10-15 years and see if NYC gets really bad or stays the same. If it gets bad, then it's a good time to get back to NYC and buy up some cheap properties later on.
Ha

So you have the crystal ball

What are tonight's lottery numbers?
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Old 09-13-2019, 09:51 AM
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So instead of operating on facts you rely on FEELINGS (or voices inside your head, like your president.)

Just walk around the streets. Talk to people. Read the news. The statistics don't match what's going on. Question: you don't notice the decline in quality of life in Manhattan?
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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Just walk around the streets. Talk to people. Read the news. The statistics don't match what's going on. Question: you don't notice the decline in quality of life in Manhattan?
Ppl are acting like you could eat off the floor 10 years ago especially in Manhattan

If anything 2009 in Manhattan was more dangerous.
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