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Old 12-19-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Interesting take you have. So no responsbility to control crime falls on the police commissioner? IMO the mayor's job is just to make sure all the commissioners are doing theirs. Think of the city as a company with different departments. The mayor is the CEO. If management is not implementing strategies to keep the company in the black, then the CEO has a meeting with management to find out what's wrong and how to fix it. So if anything, say the mayor is not managing the agencies properly. Don't say the mayor can't figure out how to control crime, that's silly.
Either way you slice it, it boils down to incompetence on the Mayor's part. He's the one who has been selecting the police commissioners. You don't think that they move based on what he tells them he wants them to do?
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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Either way you slice it, it boils down to incompetence on the Mayor's part. He's the one who has been selecting the police commissioners. You don't think that they move based on what he tells them he wants them to do?
Well now that's a different conversation. But let's not sit here and say the mayor should know how to stop crime (NYPD), keep the streets clean (DSNY), teach kids (DOE), enforce building codes (DOB), that's why we have commissioners. He didn't go to school to learn how to do any of that. So it's grossly inaccurate to state that "the mayor doesnt know how to fight crime."
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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What people don't realize is that big city governments around the country need homeless people because they are just pawns to necessitate government services in order for them to sustain the tax system.
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You are correct, but NYC already has a dependent population- NYCHA project housing population. They will be forever dependent on the government dole, and liberals depend on them to stay in power. Homeless people don't vote so Deblasio ships them out.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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NYPD knows how to control crime. Police commissioner is usually chosen by the mayor to serve his wishes. Deblasio is tying their hands. Do you think you could dump water on cops when Giuliani/Bloomberg were running the show?
Who was mayor when this happened?

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Old 12-19-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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I mean... compared to the aggressive homeless in Chicago during Thanksgiving I had to deal with, it's just another winter.
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Old 12-19-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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Middle class is a concept invented by the powers-that-be to ensure that Americans work in order to keep the tax money automatically coming every 2 weeks.

The world doesn't consist of patricians and plebeians only. Class systems are meant to keep people in line. Whatever makes you sleep good at night.

Class system is a natural order of things based on difference in social usefulness. It exists among all great apes, wolves, and pretty much all social creatures including bees and ants. Activists can't change that.


Civilized human society generally has enough resources to feed and clothe its naturally biologically inferior members. But when these naturally less capable society members turn on those more capable, and start harassing the latter ones in various (sometimes unacceptably exploitive, sometimes outright deadly) ways, it is time to remove the harassers somewhere where they can't harass. If such people were members of a chimpanzee tribe rather than a human tribe, they would not represent a problem because they would be killed rather than allowed to harrass the better functioning members of the tribe.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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Well now that's a different conversation. But let's not sit here and say the mayor should know how to stop crime (NYPD), keep the streets clean (DSNY), teach kids (DOE), enforce building codes (DOB), that's why we have commissioners. He didn't go to school to learn how to do any of that. So it's grossly inaccurate to state that "the mayor doesnt know how to fight crime."
I disagree... Every mayor comes in with an agenda. I don't think any of us go to school to learn any of that. Giuliani came in with one and he went to war on the Mafia and set out to clean up Times Square and crack down on a number of other things.
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:46 AM
 
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I disagree... Every mayor comes in with an agenda. I don't think any of us go to school to learn any of that. Giuliani came in with one and he went to war on the Mafia and set out to clean up Times Square and crack down on a number of other things.
Hello, Giuliani was a former US Attorney, he was prosecuting people for a living before he became mayor

If deBlasio was a former US Attorney before he became Mayor his focus would be on crime too

If you hired a former physician to become mayor, they may very well focus on the public health system...

Hope you get it now
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Hello, Giuliani was a former US Attorney, he was prosecuting people for a living before he became mayor

If deBlasio was a former US Attorney before he became Mayor his focus would be on crime too

If you hired a former physician to become mayor, they may very well focus on the public health system...

Hope you get it now
The job as mayor to focus on MULTIPLE issues, not just one thing. Don't be absurd. Given what was going on before Giuliani became mayor, with out of control crime and the race riots, he was elected to address the unrest in the City, so him being a prosecutor previously was just an extra if you will.
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Old 12-19-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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The job as mayor to focus on MULTIPLE issues, not just one thing. Don't be absurd. Given what was going on before Giuliani became mayor, with out of control crime and the race riots, he was elected to address the unrest in the City, so him being a prosecutor previously was just an extra if you will.
You think Tim Cook visits every Apple store? SMH

If something's going wrong with all the West Coast stores, I'm sure he calls the regional director to fix it, he doesn't go there himself.

You have to look at running a city like running a business, you're fooling yourself if you think it's anything else otherwise.
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