Controversial Fracked Gas Pipeline in Brooklyn Continues... (homes, heat pump)
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It's a gas line folks........the stuff that heats your homes and allows you to cook on your stove tops.
Don't buy into the B.S. There are no sink holes coming to your neighborhood anytime soon.
What you would pay in electricity would be 5X greater or more than good old fashioned gas which will
probably outlast our Empire and in a couple of hundred thousand years our local cemeteries will
be the new sites of natural gas deposits. ( Sarcasm ). We remain a fuel independent country because
of what lies beneath our feet on our American soil....and there's plenty of it. If you truly oppose
the procedures used in extracting natural gas and the affects on the environment try supporting a movement
geared towards a solution to eliminating the problems of fracking's ( as you claim) impact on the environment or
make yourself more useful rather than carrying a stupid poster and get involved in Research and Development that
is searching for a more efficient alternative eco friendly and readily available fuel that can replace the independence
that natural gas brings to our country to date.
...........oops....forgot...there isn't any..............Better late than never...
Last edited by Mr.Retired; 10-14-2020 at 06:57 PM..
Natgas is Natgas, fracked or not. And given how many buildings use gas for heat, and that the city is pushing more to do so (to stop using heating oil), the utilities need to expand the natgas supply capacity. If the community idiots are opposed, let them freeze in the winter (and maybe cut off their electricity for AC in the summer also.)
It doesn't make much sense to do this. It makes a lot more sense to try to put resources into electrical grid resources and efficiency measures which the city desperately needs to improve. Heat pumps are a hell of a lot more efficient overall and that's electricity that runs those and it's been a sea change over the last decade in terms of heat pump size, price, and efficiency. Plus, you can pretty easily do local electricity storage within dense developments that's a bear to do for gas and meanwhile stationary electrical storage has dropped massively in price and will continue to do so ($ per kWh dropped about 89% from 2010 to 2019 and it doesn't look like that's abating any time soon).
Last edited by OyCrumbler; 10-15-2020 at 10:57 AM..
Just another NIMBY issue. Fuel oil was phased out in 2011 and Kerosene can't be used in large quantities to run the City's turbines. Thus all that's left is Natural Gas.
Just another NIMBY issue. Fuel oil was phased out in 2011 and Kerosene can't be used in large quantities to run the City's turbines. Thus all that's left is Natural Gas.
It doesn't make much sense to do this. It makes a lot more sense to try to put resources into electrical grid resources and efficiency measures which the city desperately needs to improve. Heat pumps are a hell of a lot more efficient overall and that's electricity that runs those and it's been a sea change over the last decade in terms of heat pump size, price, and efficiency. Plus, you can pretty easily do local electricity storage within dense developments that's a bear to do for gas and meanwhile stationary electrical storage has dropped massively in price and will continue to do so ($ per kWh dropped about 89% from 2010 to 2019 and it doesn't look like that's abating any time soon).
No matter what you do electricity in NY will always be expensive, far more than natural gas or oil. Nothing you have said will change this because it's baked into NYS's regulatory cake so to speak.
I don't like fracking and I don't blame the protestors. Cuomo has shown himself to be a hypocrite because he is supposedly very anti fracking, but all of a sudden it's okay to have its product installed in Brooklyn?
Here is why people are protesting (taken from their website):
Facts about this project that National Grid does not reveal:
This is not about “modernizing” our system for heating and cooking. This is about an expansion to charge rate-payers an increase and grow profits for National Grid’s shareholders.
This is a transmission pipeline. It will not service the affected community where the already trafficked main thoroughfares and already stressed trucking routes for local businesses will be dug up.
This project holds us back on our renewable energy goals. We should be mandating any gas pipelines should be replaced with shared geothermal loops, and energy efficiency measures in our buildings.
Gas pipelines are not safe. Filed in the United State Pipeline and Hazardous Safety Materials Administration (PHMSA) from 2016-2018 there was an average of 639 pipeline incidents per year resulting in 15 fatalities, 72 injuries, and a cost to the public nearly $600million
Fracking exacerbates climate change. Methane is 86-101 times worse for atmospheric warming than carbon dioxide. Climate change is destroying Earth’s ability to sustain life.
The industry coined the term “natural” gas to create the sense that it is clean, but the extraction, transport and burning of this gas destroys the health of our water, land, and air. Additionally, there are high levels of radon in this fracked gas from PA, and detrimental to asthma patients, children, pets.
A report authored by Suzanne Mattei, former DEC Regional Director notes National Grid does not have gas constraints, this is a manufactured crisis to keep business-as-usual, keep us hooked on fossil fuels, and charge rate-payers for construction well after the lifespan of this pipeline. This makes your constituents pay for the company’s stranded assets.
This project is disguised as a local upgrade by segmentation, while it is a much larger project leading to an LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) depot, CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) and other fracking infrastructure facilities in Greenpoint.
National Grid is requesting almost 185 million ratepayer dollars over the next three years to complete the project.
No matter what you do electricity in NY will always be expensive, far more than natural gas or oil. Nothing you have said will change this because it's baked into NYS's regulatory cake so to speak.
This pipeline isn't free either and it'll get baked into the cost of gas. Yea, electricity is going to be a lot more expensive if you're using resistive heating, but I'm talking about heat pumps.
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