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Old 01-28-2022, 09:07 AM
 
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FYI, NYC already spends billions of dollars per year on homeless, drug addicts, and mentally ill.
In fact, one years' worth of the money the city spends on homeless is enough to outfit all of the subway platforms that can accommodate the platform doors. Two years worth of money the city spends on homeless is enough to build out the entire full length ALL phases of second avenue subway, even with our outrageous costs. The amount of money the city spends on infrastructure is tiny compared to money spend on social issues. Diverting infrastructure money to help the homeless would do absolutely nothing, since it will be a drop in the bucket.
Facts. Most bums in NYC are in that situation by choice not circumstance. I feel bad for those who had no choice in their situations like children born to poor parents. But for the others there are plenty of drug addicts, alcoholics, and grifters. Giving money to "help" these people is just enabling their lifestyle.

It would be cheaper to host a bum camp in the city's outskirts. For those who want to be remediated, give them the help needed. But for the others, my proposal is to give them exactly what they want - all the free booze and drugs they can consume in lethal quantities. That's what they want anyway. Let them overconsume and society will be better off with dead OD bums.
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Old 01-28-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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The next time you see a bum leaving drug needles in a park where children play or urinating in the street, you are seeing your tax dollars at work and the end result of the vision of the anointed.-Thomas Sowell
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Old 01-28-2022, 10:48 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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^ Build them where you can and at least eliminate some of the dangers from as many stations as you can.

Why are we so dumb that just because some stations can’t have platform doors, then that stops us from putting them in all stations?
Agreed. The main transit hubs pose the biggest risk due to the volume of people. Start there.
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Old 02-02-2022, 07:19 AM
 
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I can only imagine the number of people left behind on aq crowded platform because they were standing in the wrong place.

Because something can work in Europe NEVER implies it can work in the U.S. especially in a century old system.
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Old 02-02-2022, 08:06 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Facts. Most bums in NYC are in that situation by choice not circumstance. I feel bad for those who had no choice in their situations like children born to poor parents. But for the others there are plenty of drug addicts, alcoholics, and grifters. Giving money to "help" these people is just enabling their lifestyle.

It would be cheaper to host a bum camp in the city's outskirts. For those who want to be remediated, give them the help needed. But for the others, my proposal is to give them exactly what they want - all the free booze and drugs they can consume in lethal quantities. That's what they want anyway. Let them overconsume and society will be better off with dead OD bums.
Exactly. Why people feel sorry for the homeless I have no idea. Even their own family don’t care enough to help them, so why should us strangers give a damn, let alone supporting them using billions of our tax dollars EVERY year to supposedly help them. It is money forever flushed down the toilet because almost all of them do not improve their lives.

Billions perpetually thrown at a problem that has no benefit to society. Meanwhile, things that do help to improve lives of all of us like subways, roads, bridges, tunnels, flood control, airports, light rail, walkways, parks, public security, prisons, etc. are neglected.

What a retarded society.
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Old 02-02-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Agreed. The main transit hubs pose the biggest risk due to the volume of people. Start there.
Exactly. If they need to redo the busiest stations in the city like Times Square, Herald Square, Union Square, Grand Central, Atlantic Yards, etc. so the platform doors can be installed, then so be it. Concentrate on those. Don’t worry about the relatively little used outerborough ones in Ozone Park or Gravesend.

Stupid MTA, stupid NYC, stupid NYS, stupid New Yorkers, stupid all around. Pay the most, take the longest, get the least and the poorest quality.

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Old 02-02-2022, 08:29 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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We are going to Mars but we can’t put platform doors in the subways. Pffft.
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Old 02-02-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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No, like replacing the 100+ year old signal system that greatly constrains the system's capacity and running speed
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Yeah like hiring an accountant so they can find another surplus $1billion dollars after claiming to have no money and raising the fare?
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Old 02-03-2022, 12:49 AM
 
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I can only imagine the number of people left behind on aq crowded platform because they were standing in the wrong place.

Because something can work in Europe NEVER implies it can work in the U.S. especially in a century old system.
well then they'll learn by the time the next train arrives.

this is somehow a reason not to build the doors?
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Old 02-03-2022, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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well then they'll learn by the time the next train arrives.

this is somehow a reason not to build the doors?
Normally you would have markings on the floor or on the doors themselves which tell you what train stops at the doors if there are more than one and they are different length.


Notice where people are standing, the color codes on the floor represent different trains, so people sort themselves by which train they are taking, even if they stop on the same platform:


There are also these designs, which allow a wide variety of trains, if the train doors are at different intervals. These look very cheap to install:

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