Proposed NYC Law to Ban Firing Most Workers Without a Good Reason (New York: mortgage, lawyer)

[MJoseph42286]

There is a bill being introduced in the City Council that will ban companies from firing most employees without a good reason. Under this bill, employees' jobs will be legally protected unless the employer can demonstrate misconduct, unsatisfactory performance, or an economic need to eliminate the position. Workers who feel they are terminated without just cause can bring their case before a city arbitrator.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...39f_story.html

In my opinion, this is just one of those "Feel Good" laws that if passed will inevitably end up doing more harm than good. The result will be nobody wanting to do business in New York City and companies leaving the city, which will kill more jobs than the status quo. And companies will just hire temps instead of permanent employees. Any thoughts?

[Tiredofnyclife]

Will just result in more temp staffing agencies.

[citylove101]

This might just end up being the Full Employment For Lawyers Act.

[Mr.Retired]

Originally Posted by MJoseph42286

There is a bill being introduced in the City Council that will ban companies from firing most employees without a good reason. Under this bill, employees' jobs will be legally protected unless the employer can demonstrate misconduct, unsatisfactory performance, or an economic need to eliminate the position. Workers who feel they are terminated without just cause can bring their case before a city arbitrator.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...39f_story.html

In my opinion, this is just one of those "Feel Good" laws that if passed will inevitably end up doing more harm than good. The result will be nobody wanting to do business in New York City and companies leaving the city, which will kill more jobs than the status quo. And companies will just hire temps instead of permanent employees. Any thoughts?

A feel good law? Absolutely agree. Created to assist the do nothings.
A valuable workers rarely experiences the abuse of having to be let go without reason.

Unless an employee documents every footprint of their employment the employer
will always have the upper hand. The ability to monitor , input, output and execute a paper trail
of inefficiencies catered towards dismissal is part of management.
From the worse to the most capable. An employee is on file. On record.
It is called having the upper hand.


I have witnessed from the weakest to the most talented of employees succumb.
This type of firing process is completed over a lengthy period of time.
Even drunkenness and drug addiction is protected under many laws.
Gee...I wonder why?


The process of firing today is rarely immediate. It is preferably planned and executed over time.
The conditions may be be psychological, physical,harsh consisting of extreme conditions that
skirt the furthest boundaries of rules of employment.

It could be something as simple as relocating a troublesome employee to destinations
furthest from where they live. It could be a change in work schedule. Days to nights.
Weeks to weekends. Loss of bonus. No pay raises. No lunch....piling on the workload.
dissolving and combining titles....... on and on and on....

A managers right to manage! Love it or leave it.


If an employee is targeted, I believe, it is just better just to allow yourself to
be let go. At least you can collect unemployment.
( Quit )only when a position of employment becomes available.

Not worth the time and aggravation if you have mouths to feed or
a mortgage to pay. Skills will be appreciated elsewhere.

As for the losers?
Do nothings have nothing to lose and in the end lose anyway................

[dfc99]

A 'victory' for lazy incompetent employees!!

[stormgal]

All companies will have to do is write up a reason why a certain position is no longer needed and claim how paying for a useless position is causing economic hardship.

[MJoseph42286]

Originally Posted by Mr.Retired

A feel good law? Absolutely agree. Created to assist the do nothings.
A valuable workers rarely experiences the abuse of having to be let go without reason.

Unless an employee documents every footprint of their employment the employer
will always have the upper hand. The ability to monitor , input, output and execute a paper trail
of inefficiencies catered towards dismissal is part of management.
From the worse to the most capable. An employee is on file. On record.
It is called having the upper hand.


I have witnessed from the weakest to the most talented of employees succumb.
This type of firing process is completed over a lengthy period of time.
Even drunkenness and drug addiction is protected under many laws.
Gee...I wonder why?


The process of firing today is rarely immediate. It is preferably planned and executed over time.
The conditions may be be psychological, physical,harsh consisting of extreme conditions that
skirt the furthest boundaries of rules of employment.

It could be something as simple as relocating a troublesome employee to destinations
furthest from where they live. It could be a change in work schedule. Days to nights.
Weeks to weekends. Loss of bonus. No pay raises. No lunch....piling on the workload.
dissolving and combining titles....... on and on and on....

A managers right to manage! Love it or leave it.


If an employee is targeted, I believe, it is just better just to allow yourself to
be let go. At least you can collect unemployment.
( Quit )only when a position of employment becomes available.

Not worth the time and aggravation if you have mouths to feed or
a mortgage to pay. Skills will be appreciated elsewhere.

As for the losers?
Do nothings have nothing to lose and in the end lose anyway................

As any manager or HR manager will tell you, "employment at will" does not exist in the real world. You know how it goes. A manager goes to Human Resources and says, "I want to terminate John. He is not dong his job. He performance is sub par." And John just happens to be over 60 or be a minority. The HR manager knows that if they fire John, he can really make trouble. Even if their reasoning for the termination is, "John's performance is not up to par," which is a perfectly valid reason, all it takes is for John to convince a lawyer that he was treated differently from other employees who are not minorities or over 60, and John can really make the employer's life miserable. New York is one of the most employee friendly states in the country when it comes to the courts and wrongful termination matters. Even if the company wins in the end, it is a major PITA to deal with, and they have to spend time and resources fighting it. So HR says, "It's just not worth the risk," and they either see if there is another job John can do or just tolerate him and have him do menial tasks, and wait. They wait until there is a recession or the company isn't doing well and they have to lay a bunch of people off and they get rid of John then and call it a layoff. Or they wait until there is another employee who is a Caucasian and in his thirties who also isn't up to par and is on the chopping block, so then they let John and that other employee go at the same time, so John can't allege discrimination.

[Chava61]

From what I understand this is a common law in other places in the world although it might not be appropriate here.

[Kefir King]

It could be something as simple as relocating a troublesome employee to destinations
furthest from where they live. It could be a change in work schedule. Days to nights.
Weeks to weekends. Loss of bonus. No pay raises. No lunch....piling on the workload.
dissolving and combining titles....... on and on and on....

In other words, TORTURING an employee in an effort to force him to quit.

[MJoseph42286]

Originally Posted by Kefir King

In other words, TORTURING an employee in an effort to force him to quit.

I starter my career in public accounting and that is what CPA firms do. They don't want to take the hit on unemployment, so if they want you out, they go out of their way to make your life miserable so you will quit.