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All statistics can and ARE manipulated regularly. It matters because "fairness" extremely subjective. The "lefty" definition of "fairness" will be far different than the "righty" definition.
While that might be true, you have no basis to outright claim that the non-profit, non-partisan report is using manipulated information.
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Regardless of "fairness", the overall tax burden in MOST states is FAR less than NY's tax impact on any given resident. What matters more to the bottom line of a family's budget: Fairness or paying less overall?
...and the report says completely otherwise. The tax burden for the lower class family is roughly equal for all states. The tax burden for the upper middle class to wealthy family is considerably less in about 47 other states than in New York, which is what you are speaking on.
The reality is, what we perceive as reasonably is not numerically reasonable, unless you advocate that lower class residents should pay more of their income in taxes than upper class.
I'm simply posting an empirical study that shows evidence of those findings.
Cuomo's looking to to tax cuts. He also told Bla to screw off with the idea of raising taxes to fund his Pre-K plan.
Cuomo would be selling out to the elites, than.
Wealthy should pay their proportion of their income in taxes, which is usually income tax since they do not pay much in sales or property tax.
Business taxes are a different story. Since businesses are taxed on profit, a flat tax is "fair" for businesses. This doesn't apply to residents until all consumer items some how become tax deductible, which will never happen.
The taxes is actually not as high as some states but this report fails to take in all the hidden cost of living, working, and doing business in NY.
Property taxes are not as high as some places in NY but the cost of living is higher. Some people pay nearly $1000 a year just on parking and moving violation tickets. Utilities are much higher, a lot of hidden costs as well.
If you cannot understand (or admit), that there is a reason percentages are used heavily in studies such as this, and that as proven by another poster, the head of this "non-partisan" non-profit is VERY partisan, than this isn't really a discussion. It is just you shouting down anyone who disagrees.
If you cannot understand (or admit), that there is a reason percentages are used heavily in studies such as this, and that as proven by another poster, the head of this "non-partisan" non-profit is VERY partisan, than this isn't really a discussion. It is just you shouting down anyone who disagrees.
You are saying you don't agree with the numerical findings.
That's like saying you don't agree with the publicly released budget information for a given municipality. It could be led by Democrats or Republicans but are you willing to say the budget is fudged because you don't agree with the administration?
The taxes is actually not as high as some states but this report fails to take in all the hidden cost of living, working, and doing business in NY.
Property taxes are not as high as some places in NY but the cost of living is higher. Some people pay nearly $1000 a year just on parking and moving violation tickets. Utilities are much higher, a lot of hidden costs as well.
It's not a cost comparison, it is strictly a tax comparison.
EDIT: By the same token, I wonder if this includes "vehicle fees" and "HOA fees" often seen in some states.
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That's like saying you don't agree with the publicly released budget information for a given municipality. It could be led by Democrats or Republicans but are you willing to say the budget is fudged because you don't agree with the administration?
Of course I am, lol. Are you being serious or is this a joke?
You really don't believe that those who put out numbers, especially regarding economics, manipulate them to their advantage? I'm willing to say I believe economic figures are routinely manipulated, if not 100% of the time, than at least 99%.
Of course I am, lol. Are you being serious or is this a joke?
You really don't believe that those who put out numbers, especially regarding economics, manipulate them to their advantage? I'm willing to say I believe economic figures are routinely manipulated, if not 100% of the time, than at least 99%.
I'm simply relaying the finding in the study. It says New York, Vermont, Delaware, District of Columbia, and Oregon have the "least regressive" tax structures in the USA. You are blatantly calling the data manipulated with no way to prove it other than the director of this non-partisan organization being a liberal.
There really is no reason for you to contribute to this thread if you can't bring anything forward other than "this data (for all 50 states!) is manipulated." If you are going to make that accusation, provide counter-proof.
So it would make sense for all the lower income earners to move to NYS, and all the upper income earners to move to TX. I think NY get's the short end of that deal, no. Maybe we need to get with TX's program.
Isn't that what Prince Andrew wanted when he said exteme conservatives shouldn't live here?
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...extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that's not who New Yorkers are.
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