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I would allow them to saw they don't want to allow people carrying guns on their property. If they find someone is, they can have them trespassed as would be the case with anyone they didn't want on their property. However, I would not put any legal penalty on someone who came onto such a property with a concealed gun and were found out.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
You don't think private businesses should be able to prevent carry of firearms on their premises? Are you saying that your right to carry a firearm over rides someone elses property rights? I support carry of firearms, but I also support the right of property owners to control what happens on their property.
I would allow them to saw they don't want to allow people carrying guns on their property. If they find someone is, they can have them trespassed as would be the case with anyone they didn't want on their property. However, I would not put any legal penalty on someone who came onto such a property with a concealed gun and were found out.
The Texas law requires a specific sign be displayed. If that is present, then anyone who carries on those premises is subject to arrest for criminal trespass, since they had effective notice that carrying a firearm is not allowed.
I do not know how New York law works for that sort of situation, but it's something that may have to be considered by the NY legislature. The first step, though, is to wait and see how NY changes the regulations around issuing permits.
NY has so few legal concealed carriers that I've never heard of it being an issue. There may be a law on the books, but I've never heard of it.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
The Texas law requires a specific sign be displayed. If that is present, then anyone who carries on those premises is subject to arrest for criminal trespass, since they had effective notice that carrying a firearm is not allowed.
I do not know how New York law works for that sort of situation, but it's something that may have to be considered by the NY legislature. The first step, though, is to wait and see how NY changes the regulations around issuing permits.
You don't think private businesses should be able to prevent carry of firearms on their premises? Are you saying that your right to carry a firearm over rides someone elses property rights? I support carry of firearms, but I also support the right of property owners to control what happens on their property.
So do you support the business having the right to discriminate against people entering the premises based on their color, religion, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation?
Do you object to the many health and safety regulations that a business must pay heed to?
What about your property rights then? It's not your home, you have decided to open to the public for business and have accepted that you cannot tell gay people to get out. That is violating their rights. Why can you violate their right to defend themselves.
You might argue that licensed and vetted gun carriers might scare you. It wasn't too long along when a shop owner in some states would argue that a person of color would scare their other patrons.
The property rights mantra is just cover for opposition to gun rights. The folks who justly argued for antidiscrimination laws tossed the property rights issues in the trash. Now the same folks because of their political bent uses that discarded argument to deny another right - that of self-defense.
What hypocrisy.
BTW, in the shall issue states, the licensed carriers have had crime rates an order of magnitude lowered than the general population and even the police. The safety issue is bogus.
So do you support the business having the right to discriminate against people entering the premises based on their color, religion, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation?
Do you object to the many health and safety regulations that a business must pay heed to?
What about your property rights then? It's not your home, you have decided to open to the public for business and have accepted that you cannot tell gay people to get out. That is violating their rights. Why can you violate their right to defend themselves.
You might argue that licensed and vetted gun carriers might scare you. It wasn't too long along when a shop owner in some states would argue that a person of color would scare their other patrons.
The property rights mantra is just cover for opposition to gun rights. The folks who justly argued for antidiscrimination laws tossed the property rights issues in the trash. Now the same folks because of their political bent uses that discarded argument to deny another right - that of self-defense.
What hypocrisy.
BTW, in the shall issue states, the licensed carriers have had crime rates an order of magnitude lowered than the general population and even the police. The safety issue is bogus.
I support property rights.
The discrimination you mention is illegal under various statutes. Until such time as carrying a firearm becomes a protected class, then property rights prevail. Even Texas, not exactly known for being liberal, included a provision in the CHL law on how businesses can prohibit carry of handguns on their property. That is as it should be.
I am well aware of the low rate of crime among CHL holders. I had one myself for some time.
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