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Guy is not a term for a juvenile child. Girl is. Additionally, guys as in plural can be collectively gender neutral.
i hope you know that i was joking when i said "i can say "guy" right?". because of the whole thread, you know. because of the whole thing and all the talk of girl, guy, man, woman, ms., mrs., miss, mr., a-whole, sweetie, guys, ma'am, pumpkin and cupcake.
was just teasing...you just can't please everyone no matter what you say.
but since you mentioned it, as you can see earlier in this thread, not everyone appreciates or likes it when people use "guys" to include females. i use it all the time. doesn't bother me. maybe to you and to me and to many others it is ok. i guess to some people, they don't like it.
i hope you know that i was joking when i said "i can say "guy" right?". because of the whole thread, you know. because of the whole thing and all the talk of girl, guy, man, woman, ms., mrs., miss, mr., a-whole, sweetie, guys, ma'am, pumpkin and cupcake.
was just teasing...you just can't please everyone no matter what you say.
but since you mentioned it, as you can see earlier in this thread, not everyone appreciates or likes it when people use "guys" to include females. i use it all the time. doesn't bother me. maybe to you and to me and to many others it is ok. i guess to some people, they don't like it.
you can't please everyone.
True.
I guess this why I have this personal rule, if I am just getting to know someone then I am going to avoid using certain terms until we know we're cool with each other. It's just common sense.
He called a grown woman a girl, implying she was less mature than he is. She was within her rights to call him out. Was this FOX?
No, this was Bill Clinton two days ago, saying Condoleezza Rice didn't use email. Smart girl. And Christiane Amanpour, saying last Sunday (about Hillary's absence from the campaign trail) Can't a girl take a couple sick days?
I don't mind being called a girl - but any guy who does can't then get annoyed if I call him a boy.
we don't mind at all, far from it, in my circle of friends we consider a tragedy the first time we got called sir or mister instead than boy...
especially if that who called us that way was a girl
I haven't read through the entire thread to know how many men support this woman's reaction, but I do.
None of this started yesterday. As even the OP knows, for a hundred years or more women have been striving to be taken seriously by men, and to be treated as equals. This has been vigorously opposed, and the opposition has made it harder for women to achieve their goals in life, both their personal goals and the overall societal goal of equality and empowerment.
Children are not taken seriously in our society, their ideas are not generally respected, and they are not viewed as fully competent to work, to vote, and to otherwise engage in the affairs of the world. To call an adult woman, and by this I mean over the age of 18, which is the age of majority, a girl is to tell her that you do not view her as fully competent and mature, and that she need not be taken seriously.
Consequently, while calling women girls may seem innocuous to you, it is a part of a sexist society's program to deprive women of their right to equal treatment and opportunity.
So don't do it.
If close friends decide to use the terminology in casual social situations that's their prerogative, not yours.
By the way, I just noticed the title of the thread. Even though I'm not one of them, referring to women as "the ladies" is also patronizing.
I am one of them and I don't find it patronizing at all. What I find patronizing is a man trying to speak for me. The OP was just asking a question, genuinely wanting to know my opinion... and then you step in and try to tell him what my opinion is and how I should feel about it? Nope, sorry but in my book, that's far, far more insulting than anything the OP said or asked about.
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Nope, sorry but in my book, that's far, far more insulting than anything the OP said or asked about.
