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What are you talking about? HB2 ALLOWS businesses to discriminate? Put a sign on your front door that says "NO GAYS OR TRANS ALLOWED", conpletely legal in NC.
Lol, false, unless their front door is a bathroom. It gives the private business owner the rights to dictate which genders can use which bathroom. If they want to keep males in male bathrooms, they can (which was prohibited by Charlottes law). Since women who have had surgery to become "male" under other laws, they would go to the mens room. Also, HB2 does nothing about sexuality, so talking about gays is ridiculous. Have you seen any businesses go out of their way to ultrasound their patrons to make sure they have the natural male/female organs? Or is this another diversion scenario to steer us away from the actual words in the law?
Lol, false, unless their front door is a bathroom. It gives the private business owner the rights to dictate which genders can use which bathroom. If they want to keep males in male bathrooms, they can (which was prohibited by Charlottes law). Since women who have had surgery to become "male" under other laws, they would go to the mens room. Also, HB2 does nothing about sexuality, so talking about gays is ridiculous. Have you seen any businesses go out of their way to ultrasound their patrons to make sure they have the natural male/female organs? Or is this another diversion scenario to steer us away from the actual words in the law?
Lol, not false.
Do you know what HB2 did? It set a statewide non discrimination law that doesn't recognize LGBT. Ergo, NO PROTECTION from discrimination. Furthermore, HB2 prevents ANY local government from setting their own non discrimination ordinance.
No diversion, just facts!
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Lol, false, unless their front door is a bathroom. It gives the private business owner the rights to dictate which genders can use which bathroom. If they want to keep males in male bathrooms, they can (which was prohibited by Charlottes law). Since women who have had surgery to become "male" under other laws, they would go to the mens room. Also, HB2 does nothing about sexuality, so talking about gays is ridiculous. Have you seen any businesses go out of their way to ultrasound their patrons to make sure they have the natural male/female organs? Or is this another diversion scenario to steer us away from the actual words in the law?
Why do we need a law for this? That's what is discriminatory.
Do you have any idea how often you have been in a bathroom with someone who is transgendered??
There's also that handy bit thrown in there about wages. This "law" wasn't needed and it sends the message that NC thinks transgendered people need to be guarded against.
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I have no clue how many transgendered people I have shared a bathroom with, as previously stated. This law does nothing to discriminate people in regards to bathrooms. It prevents non transgender men from entering women's bathrooms. Because of people like the gentleman in Seattle, and others, I feel this law protects Charlotte's citizens and any others who have the misfortune of having the same law passed locally. Please cite where it prohibits transgenders from going to the bathroom as their new identity?
At least Native_Son brings valid points that are in the law. I'd say in regards to removing the right for local governments to set a minimum wage or anti-discrimination policies, it is a statewide issue. Wouldn't you want the same minimum wage if your job moved you to another county/city without that local policy? The same goes for discrimination policies. I'd support adding sexuality to a Federal or State policy. Its none of my bosses business who I bang. But saying this law is discriminatory because it invalidates one or two local cities policy is a bit silly. If it is such a large concern for people to be fired for being gay, we should raise this to the State or Federal level.
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My husband and sons trust that my daughter and I can defend ourselves against any toilet creepers.
Come on. Women defend themselves against men all the time.
Why are bathrooms suddenly so fraught with peril?
It's not about the women and girls. It's about discriminating against people you think are "icky."
can't we say you are discrminating against the women and girls , and fathers, who aren't comfortable with men in their restrooms and locker rooms. i think that this is a women's right issue. i don't think that because some people are comfortable with it, they should get to decide for everybody.
you cannot deny that many men can overpower women and little girls, and obviusly men are typically attracted to females. you are also making it seem like it will only be 'transgendered' men but it will normalizing all men entering the restroom. you can't say it is about bigotry against 'transgenders' , a group of people who cannot biologically exist by the way, if we are talking about other men taking advantage of the law to enter the bathrooms to assault women and girls.
do you support getting rid of male and female restrooms altogether, and allowing all men to use the same restrooms as females? if not, why not, if there is no safety issue with men being in female bathrooms. is the original concept of male and female bathrooms a bigoted concept like separate white and black facilities back in the day or was it based on public safety.
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I have no clue how many transgendered people I have shared a bathroom with, as previously stated. This law does nothing to discriminate people in regards to bathrooms. It prevents non transgender men from entering women's bathrooms. Because of people like the gentleman in Seattle, and others, I feel this law protects Charlotte's citizens and any others who have the misfortune of having the same law passed locally. Please cite where it prohibits transgenders from going to the bathroom as their new identity?
At least Native_Son brings valid points that are in the law. I'd say in regards to removing the right for local governments to set a minimum wage or anti-discrimination policies, it is a statewide issue. Wouldn't you want the same minimum wage if your job moved you to another county/city without that local policy? The same goes for discrimination policies. I'd support adding sexuality to a Federal or State policy. Its none of my bosses business who I bang. But saying this law is discriminatory because it invalidates one or two local cities policy is a bit silly. If it is such a large concern for people to be fired for being gay, we should raise this to the State or Federal level.
they think if a man identifies as a woman, he should be allowed ot use female restroom, regardless if he had the 'sex change' operation, which isn't even a sex change. you are not actually responding to their argument.
NC included the wages thing because cities in California had jacked up min. wage to 15 dollars a hour, so NC just got out in front of it, given Charlotte has just passed an ordinance telling private business what to do and they didn't have the legal right to do that. The main point of HB2 was to clamp down on cities in NC passing laws that they don't have the legal authority to pass.
can't we say you are discrminating against the women and girls , and fathers, who aren't comfortable with men in their restrooms and locker rooms. i think that this is a women's right issue. i don't think that because some people are comfortable with it, they should get to decide for everybody.
you cannot deny that many men can overpower women and little girls, and obviusly men are typically attracted to females. you are also making it seem like it will only be 'transgendered' men but it will normalizing all men entering the restroom. you can't say it is about bigotry against 'transgenders' , a group of people who cannot biologically exist by the way, if we are talking about other men taking advantage of the law to enter the bathrooms to assault women and girls.
do you support getting rid of male and female restrooms altogether, and allowing all men to use the same restrooms as females? if not, why not, if there is no safety issue with men being in female bathrooms. is the original concept of male and female bathrooms a bigoted concept like separate white and black facilities back in the day or was it based on public safety.
I'm totally fine with getting rid of separate toilet facilities and urinals and going to nothing but stalls.
And you're in here debating transgenderism like you have a PhD in Biology. Come on, now.
Do people really think that big, old burly dudes who look like they belong on Duck Dynasty are gonna suddenly claim "transgendered" and hang out in women's locker rooms without being either shown the door, shunned, or being disappointed when the women all stop using that locker room or start using bathroom stalls to change clothes and avoid pervy eyes?
Transgender folks do not typically use the bathroom of a gender that they don't seem to belong to. That's the point.
That is what they have always done.
And this law is ridiculous. Period.
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they think if a man identifies as a woman, he should be allowed ot use female restroom, regardless if he had the 'sex change' operation, which isn't even a sex change. you are not actually responding to their argument.
NC included the wages thing because cities in California had jacked up min. wage to 15 dollars a hour, so NC just got out in front of it, given Charlotte has just passed an ordinance telling private business what to do and they didn't have the legal right to do that. The main point of HB2 was to clamp down on cities in NC passing laws that they don't have the legal authority to pass.
If he IDs as female, he will be groomed as a female and will likely look like a female. Ditto for FtM transgendered people.
I have seen a good many of the latter that you could NEVER tell were born with female genitalia (and may still have those same genitalia).
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You and I have already acknowledged that the man in Seattle claimed to be transgender to enter a woman's locker room. Target was in the news this past summer over people exploiting it's policy. How can you call this law ridiculous when it very clearly states these acts are forbidden*. It prevents your Duck Dynasty stereotypes, while allowing non-nefarious people and transgenders their privacy and respect. This is not hurting transgenders, no matter how much it is skewed.
*Footnote: only forbidden in public restrooms
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