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NC's path to passing Georgia is primarily linked to Charlotte and the Triangle and their ability to accelerate growth as they transcend into their next "tier" of metros...however that's perceived. Momentum often drives more momentum and the two metros can probably grow more wildly than anyone is currently imagining they could. The key for metro Charlotte's impact to the state population is keeping more of that growth in NC rather than SC. Who knows how that will play out?
A wildcard for NC is the Triad. If the Triad could find stronger economic footing and become a third fast growing metro for NC, it could push NC past GA.
The two states are probably going to be competitive with each other for decades to come and both will eventually pass the slower growing states that rank just in front of them over the next few decades.
Alright. Well South Carolina is an ugly state apart from the beach. If people move there it will be because it's more affordable. I like how quiet and simple the the cities are but they're also boring and lack economically. They have hardees. Greenville feels like the land of simpletons.
When someone has several options in front of them aesthetics matter.
Very doubtful and if so, it's way down the list. Otherwise, according to your logic, NC would have remained larger than GA throughout the histories of both states.
Nobody here agrees with your reasoning. That should tell you something.
Very doubtful and if so, it's way down the list. Otherwise, according to your logic, NC would have remained larger than GA throughout the histories of both states.
Nobody here agrees with your reasoning. That should tell you something.
Maybe to people like you with few other options it's way down the list. I don't care who agrees with me, I'm not here to score brownie points.
I think that the population of North Carolina will someday surpass that of Georgia for a few different reasons:
-Because Atlanta is viewed as a "black Mecca" and is, arguably, the capitol of Black America, most non-black Americans looking to relocate to the Southeast from other regions are probably a little cautious around that, even though middle- and upper-middle-class black families are well-represented in Atlanta. You have to remember that most people from the Northeast, Midwest and California tend to view blacks as being poor inner-city dwellers because, in those regions, this is largely true.
-Unlike Georgia, North Carolina is not located in the Deep South, so generally speaking, the culture is a little more agreeable for transplants from non-Southern areas as well as immigrants from foreign countries. Many areas of Georgia mirror Alabama and Mississippi, some of the poorest Southern states, whereas North Carolina more or less mirrors Virginia, the wealthiest Southern state.
-Atlanta is a behemoth, for sure, but it's the only major city in Georgia with a population that is >200k. Augusta and Savannah are a distant second and third, respectively, and neither city is much of a hotbed for economic activity. North Carolina, OTOH, has Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem and Fayetteville, which all clock in over 200k in terms of population.
-I've lived in both Florida and the Northeast, and in those regions, people seemed to have a more romantic view of North Carolina than Georgia. In certain areas of North Carolina, such as Raleigh and Chapel Hill, for example, there is a slight colonial American vibe that one would find in either Virginia or New England. I think transplants from the Northeast gravitate to North Carolina to maintain that, and transplants from states like California, Colorado or Florida tend to yearn for that. Again, while Savannah has one of the strongest colonial vibes of any American city, its economy certainly leaves something to be desired, and crime is a major issue there.
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-Atlanta is a behemoth, for sure, but it's the only major city in Georgia with a population that is >200k. Augusta and Savannah are a distant second and third, respectively, and neither city is much of a hotbed for economic activity. North Carolina, OTOH, has Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem and Fayetteville, which all clock in over 200k in terms of population.
I don't think that this is about municipal size, rather metro sizes. Atlanta is the only major metro in Georgia, and while it's a behemoth for sure, the fate of the state basically rests on its shoulders. By municipal size only, Raleigh is nearly the same size as Atlanta and we know that doesn't tell the real story.
NC has 3 large metros areas over a million with two of them north of 2 million. Whether or not NC passes GA will largely be a result of how well its three metros economically develop. Frankly, with Charlotte's and the Triangle's growth being "a given", this is really about the Triad taking a seat at the table and up its growth game.
I don't think that this is about municipal size, rather metro sizes. Atlanta is the only major metro in Georgia, and while it's a behemoth for sure, the fate of the state basically rests on its shoulders. By municipal size only, Raleigh is nearly the same size as Atlanta and we know that doesn't tell the real story.
NC has 3 large metros areas over a million with two of them north of 2 million. Whether or not NC passes GA will largely be a result of how well its three metros economically develop. Frankly, with Charlotte's and the Triangle's growth being "a given", this is really about the Triad taking a seat at the table and up its growth game.
Are residents / businesses / politicians of North Carolina generally pro-growth like you see in Phoenix, Las Vegas and a few other areas? Or, are they more anti-growth like you see in various across California, Colorado, the Pacific Northwest, New England and so forth?
Maybe to people like you with few other options it's way down the list. I don't care who agrees with me, I'm not here to score brownie points.
Nah, only to retirees and others who don't really care about jobs and other bread-and-butter issues important to working people. There are some scenic places with a lot of people and just as many other places that aren't as scenic with tons of people.
I think that the population of North Carolina will someday surpass that of Georgia for a few different reasons:
-Because Atlanta is viewed as a "black Mecca" and is, arguably, the capitol of Black America, most non-black Americans looking to relocate to the Southeast from other regions are probably a little cautious around that, even though middle- and upper-middle-class black families are well-represented in Atlanta. You have to remember that most people from the Northeast, Midwest and California tend to view blacks as being poor inner-city dwellers because, in those regions, this is largely true.
That's a valid point...quite sad...very sad actually...but valid.
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-Unlike Georgia, North Carolina is not located in the Deep South, so generally speaking, the culture is a little more agreeable for transplants from non-Southern areas as well as immigrants from foreign countries. Many areas of Georgia mirror Alabama and Mississippi, some of the poorest Southern states, whereas North Carolina more or less mirrors Virginia, the wealthiest Southern state.
People really overblow this whole "Deep South" thing. Firstly, in many instances, the media labels all of the South as the Deep South, and the media tends to be a reference for a lot of people when it comes to things like this. North Carolina has been labeled "the Deep South" in more than a few media references. Secondly, when the "Deep South" label is applied more narrowly, it's mostly used with respect to the most conservative of the Southern states--AL, MS, LA, etc. Thirdly, there's really nothing "Deep South" about Atlanta and northern Georgia as a whole, and the fact that transplants from other parts of the country and immigrants have flocked there for decades is proof of that. Atlanta started attracting Black transplants from different parts of the country, particularly from the North, in droves in the 70's when the battles of the CRM were very recent memories.
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-Atlanta is a behemoth, for sure, but it's the only major city in Georgia with a population that is >200k. Augusta and Savannah are a distant second and third, respectively, and neither city is much of a hotbed for economic activity. North Carolina, OTOH, has Raleigh, Durham, Greensboro, Winston-Salem and Fayetteville, which all clock in over 200k in terms of population.
Interesting that you completely omitted NC's largest city. Also Columbus, GA has a municipal population and MSA over 200K. It's also worth noting that Savannah has grown faster both in terms of percentage and raw numbers than Fayetteville, Greensboro, and Winston-Salem since the beginning of this decade. All it needs is one or two substantial economic developments a la Charleston (and it's only a matter of time before it happens), and the script could definitely flip.
Even so, Greensboro, Winston-Salem, and Fayetteville aren't "major cities" either although Greensboro and Winston-Salem are the principal cities of a region well over 1 million. But your point about NC having more midsized metro areas is a valid one and certainly a strength that NC has over GA.
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-I've lived in both Florida and the Northeast, and in those regions, people seemed to have a more romantic view of North Carolina than Georgia. In certain areas of North Carolina, such as Raleigh and Chapel Hill, for example, there is a slight colonial American vibe that one would find in either Virginia or New England. I think transplants from the Northeast gravitate to North Carolina to maintain that, and transplants from states like California, Colorado or Florida tend to yearn for that. Again, while Savannah has one of the strongest colonial vibes of any American city, its economy certainly leaves something to be desired, and crime is a major issue there.
NC's reputation has been extremely sullied over the past four years and who knows how long it will take for that damage to be undone considering the fact that the General Assembly is still dominated by the GOP and they are determined to make life hell for new Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper. Georgia, by contrast, has largely been out of the political limelight for the past couple of years. These things matter a lot more than they used to in the age of Trump.
As far as Savannah goes, if it can find its economic mojo (which, again, I think will happen sooner rather than later), the crime stats won't matter as much in terms of growth. Just look at Durham as an example...or even DC.
Nah, only to retirees and others who don't really care about jobs and other bread-and-butter issues important to working people. There are some scenic places with a lot of people and just as many other places that aren't as scenic with tons of people.
Which is the vast majority of adults. Again, people are scattered all across this nation of ours--in parts both scenic and not so scenic. Many of the not-as-scenic places are registering the highest growth rates.
Mountains and oceans are nice, but they don't pay bills.
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