12-26-2009, 08:23 AM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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For every Honesdale example you can provide I can provide TWO Pittston examples. Tomato Town was a hip and thriving place with movie theaters, a JCPenney, Woolworth's, and 21,000 people in its heyday. Now it has 7,000 people, largely abandoned buildings, crappy homes, and is now merely a "bedroom community" of both Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. What caused this? The proliferation of new shopping centers and chains along Route 11 in Pittston Twp. in the 1960s-1970s. Today that "old sprawl" will now be threatened by the "new sprawl" along Route 315. It's just a colossal waste of open space to me.
12-26-2009, 08:34 AM
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It is quite possible that the citizens of Honesdale prefer to shop locally and not frequent the WalMart. That Walmart could be largely fed by people who do not live in Honesdale. None of us knows for sure.
12-26-2009, 09:03 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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Soak it up while you can. The land around my parents' home is being graded and cleared as we speak for a major new shopping complex that will house a large new Wal-Mart Supercenter. The former "intimate" Wal-Mart in Pittston will be history (potentially a new Home Depot from what I've heard). Viva la sprawl!
Right on 315, right Paul? I heard that Wal-Mart wants all of it's stores to be super centers from now on. Hence the one in Tunkhannock too. So we'll have the one in Dickson, Taylor, Pittson and WB all within a 20 mile radius. WM really likes to extend itself, doesn't it?
12-26-2009, 09:08 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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It is quite possible that the citizens of Honesdale prefer to shop locally and not frequent the WalMart. That Walmart could be largely fed by people who do not live in Honesdale. None of us knows for sure.
That WM does get a lot of people from the surrounding upstate New York area like Callicoon and Narrowsburg in nearby Sullivan county. They also get a lot of weekend shoppers from NY and NJ who have second homes in Wayne county. But I know a lot of people who shop in WM, which is actually in Indian Orchard, and downtown Honesdale and those stores never got affected by WM and these people live in Honesdale.
12-26-2009, 09:48 AM
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I understand what you're saying, but like gophillies said, do you really think that WM is going to pay someone $15 or $20 an hour to stock shelves or work the cash register. That would be nice, but it's not going to happen. I still don't see how they destroy small towns, but that's another issue. You're right also when you say that WM is not the same company it was when Sam was alive, he believed in customer first and treated his employees well and sometimes it doesn't always feel that way in certain WM's. I also agree that people should live without govt. assistance. The more we depend on the govt., the worse this country is going to get. But at the end of the day, if I need to get a great deal and no one else has what I'm looking for, I'm going to shop at WM. And I never said that you or a family member worked there, I was just wondering why there is such an anti-Wal-Mart sentiment from some people.
I don't think $15 or $20 an hour. I'm thinking between $10 and $12. You can live on that. IMO, by my shopping at WM, I would be consenting to their practices and I simply cannot do that. Even if it would save me money.
12-26-2009, 10:47 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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I don't think $15 or $20 an hour. I'm thinking between $10 and $12. You can live on that. IMO, by my shopping at WM, I would be consenting to their practices and I simply cannot do that. Even if it would save me money.
It's still pretty hard to live on $12 an hour, unless it's supplemental income or if you have a husband or wife making much more than that. You would be living bare bones and not have much spending money.
12-26-2009, 11:01 AM
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It's still pretty hard to live on $12 an hour, unless it's supplemental income or if you have a husband or wife making much more than that. You would be living bare bones and not have much spending money.
Well...it is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and say companies should pay employees to live high on the hog. Jobs are paid according to skill level and the available people in the employment pool. Conversely, I do believe companies should pay so people can live and eat on their paychecks.
$12 an hour is about $360 take home. Is it alot of money? No, of course not. But I don't think people should expect to get rich (or even middle class) while working as a cashier.
12-26-2009, 12:20 PM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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Well...it is what it is. I'm not going to sit here and say companies should pay employees to live high on the hog. Jobs are paid according to skill level and the available people in the employment pool. Conversely, I do believe companies should pay so people can live and eat on their paychecks.
I agree with everything you are saying, but most companies do not care what they pay, they only worry about the bottom line. I wish there were more jobs around her paying $15 an hour, but they are few and far between, so people can live and put food on their tables.
12-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Location: NE PA
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For every Honesdale example you can provide I can provide TWO Pittston examples. Tomato Town was a hip and thriving place with movie theaters, a JCPenney, Woolworth's, and 21,000 people in its heyday. Now it has 7,000 people, largely abandoned buildings, crappy homes, and is now merely a "bedroom community" of both Scranton and Wilkes-Barre. What caused this? The proliferation of new shopping centers and chains along Route 11 in Pittston Twp. in the 1960s-1970s. Today that "old sprawl" will now be threatened by the "new sprawl" along Route 315. It's just a colossal waste of open space to me.
Pittston was dying out long before Wal-Mart came to town. Wal-Mart hasn't even been in Pittston that long....maybe 10 years? Adn even with Scranton, downtown was dead long before Commerce Blvd and Viewmont Dr even existed....actually for how dead downtown Scranton is now, it was even worse before the area around the Viewmont Mall really built up. Until about the mid-90's, the area where all the stores are behind and around the mall was all woods.
12-27-2009, 10:35 PM
Location: NE PA
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I don't think $15 or $20 an hour. I'm thinking between $10 and $12. You can live on that. IMO, by my shopping at WM, I would be consenting to their practices and I simply cannot do that. Even if it would save me money.
News flash...Wal-Mart isn't the only place that pays low wages for retail work....pick any store, from chains like Target, K-Mart, Penney's, Sears to local mom-and-pops, they all pay low wages. Actually Rite Aid is one chain that pays horrible...they pay minimum wage....WM at least starts at a dollar or so above minimum. I worked for Sam's Club (part of Wal-Mart) years ago when I was in college, and it really wasn't that bad for a part-time job...I was treated just fine, and the pay wasn't bad for the time....I worked there 2 years in the mid-90's, started at $6.50 an hour, and made $8.50 an hour when I left 2 years later. And this was almost 15 years ago.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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