View Poll Results: Are you for Phase 2 of the silver line coming to Loudoun?
Yes
39 75.00%
No
13 25.00%
03-12-2012, 09:25 AM
Location: D.C.
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It depends on how they address the cost allocation to the toll road. Many of us won't have a use for the metro, will still have to drive the toll road to work. If costs of the metro prohibits many folks from using the toll road due to feasibility issues, then we've shot ourselves in the foot in terms of creating value for ourselves, if the metro chases off those who can't use it on a daily basis from wanting to be in this area. If they can build it without making the toll road fees jump to a national embarrassment level, them sure.
03-12-2012, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by
NC211
It depends on how they address the cost allocation to the toll road. Many of us won't have a use for the metro, will still have to drive the toll road to work. If costs of the metro prohibits many folks from using the toll road due to feasibility issues, then we've shot ourselves in the foot in terms of creating value for ourselves, if the metro chases off those who can't use it on a daily basis from wanting to be in this area. If they can build it without making the toll road fees jump to a national embarrassment level, them sure.
The problem with the toll road cost is the airport authority are the one who control it and set the fees etc. The county/state has no control so its going to go up regardless. As the main point of the line is to add metro to the airport I am surprised they don't add a small fee to the people coming in and out of the airport on flights. With all the fees they add on anyway another $1 per person really isn't much.
I voted yes as it is important for the county. In the end the line is going to get built to at least the airport so the county either helps pay for the whole line or they opt out and the the airport authority jacks the price up even further on the toll road and the people who live here pay for it that way.
03-12-2012, 01:30 PM
Location: Washington, DC
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Yeah the toll rates go up everyyear anyway, even without the Metro rail. I heard a company in Australia actually owns the Toll Road, so whether Metro comes or not, it doesn't matter for that particular issue.
03-12-2012, 01:43 PM
Location: Brambleton, VA
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sonnymarkjiz
Yeah the toll rates go up everyyear anyway, even without the Metro rail. I heard a company in Australia actually owns the Toll Road, so whether Metro comes or not, it doesn't matter for that particular issue.
MWAA owns the Dulles Toll Road; TRIP II (Macquarie) owns the Dulles Greenway. Tolls are going up on both.
03-12-2012, 01:52 PM
Location: D.C.
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The toll road fees are financing this project, as it stands now. Putting more debt load on an already burdening fee is a double edged sword, especially when that fee is for use of something entirely different. I don't know what the % is of who would actually be able to use the metro daily and who wouldn't it, but I'd have to think that more could not than could. It's not exactly about getting to it from the house out here, it's about what to do at the other end? Who's going to walk a mile +/- every day in the heat and cold and rain in their work clothes to get from the office to the station? I wouldn't, and won't. I'm writing this with Tyson's Corner in mind though, not downtown. That, I can easily see the benefit for. But to all of us suburbanites who's offices are not close to a metro station, it makes little sense other than property value protection. That, is of course influenced by how much the toll road load will be on the wallets and purses that need to use it.... $10 one-way for a 4 mile stretch (Brambleton), is ridiculous, and will certainly have an impact on the desirability of the area to housing demand...aka....values. Tons of money sitting out here with developers, asking the same thing I'm asking... If they can build it without hurting more than they're helping, then have at it.
03-12-2012, 02:32 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I have to laugh at the DC metro , its over capacity and your region is still building it outwards. Instead of extending the Metro outwards which is costly and causes issues , Expand VRE and MARC outwards which are designed to link the various cities in the DC region. Construct new lines for both systems , Electrify VRE and you have a faster system.
03-12-2012, 02:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
NC211
The toll road fees are financing this project, as it stands now. Putting more debt load on an already burdening fee is a double edged sword, especially when that fee is for use of something entirely different. I don't know what the % is of who would actually be able to use the metro daily and who wouldn't it, but I'd have to think that more could not than could. It's not exactly about getting to it from the house out here, it's about what to do at the other end? Who's going to walk a mile +/- every day in the heat and cold and rain in their work clothes to get from the office to the station? I wouldn't, and won't. I'm writing this with Tyson's Corner in mind though, not downtown. That, I can easily see the benefit for. But to all of us suburbanites who's offices are not close to a metro station, it makes little sense other than property value protection. That, is of course influenced by how much the toll road load will be on the wallets and purses that need to use it.... $10 one-way for a 4 mile stretch (Brambleton), is ridiculous, and will certainly have an impact on the desirability of the area to housing demand...aka....values. Tons of money sitting out here with developers, asking the same thing I'm asking... If they can build it without hurting more than they're helping, then have at it.
A lot of people seem to get the two toll roads confused. The toll road from the airport to the beltway is owned by the airport authority and it is this section that the toll prices will go up. The greenway ( from dulles out to Leesburg) is not owned by the airport authority but your correct the cost for just using even a mile of this part is way to high and theres not much the state can do about it as its in private hands. Any raises on this section however will not finance the metro.
03-12-2012, 04:37 PM
Location: Metro Washington DC
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sonnymarkjiz
To me that wouldn't be a good idea. Anyone west of the Airport would have to go to the Dulles terminal just to get on the Metro. Doesn't make much sense.
Then move closer in. Metro was a subway system for Washington DC, not Loudon. Growing Loudon like crazy isn't what should be happening here. DC is the central city of the region. The Metro was sold as "rail to Dulles" from DC and that's what it should be. The part going to Loudon is, in my view, a waste of money. WMATA is going to go broke when the Silver Line opens up. They can barely take care of the existing system. The rail going to Loudon should have been VRE. If you want Metro in Loudon, then be prepared to pay for it. As for parking, garages can be added at Dulles if necessary. There is enough land for them. I thought it was too late to stop building it so far out, but seeing Loudon get jittery about the costs is getting my hopes up a little.
03-12-2012, 06:06 PM
Location: Washington, DC
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Originally Posted by
dkf747
Then move closer in. Metro was a subway system for Washington DC, not Loudon. Growing Loudon like crazy isn't what should be happening here. DC is the central city of the region. The Metro was sold as "rail to Dulles" from DC and that's what it should be. The part going to Loudon is, in my view, a waste of money. WMATA is going to go broke when the Silver Line opens up. They can barely take care of the existing system. The rail going to Loudon should have been VRE. If you want Metro in Loudon, then be prepared to pay for it. As for parking, garages can be added at Dulles if necessary. There is enough land for them. I thought it was too late to stop building it so far out, but seeing Loudon get jittery about the costs is getting my hopes up a little.
That's like saying "metro should have only been built for dc" It's stupid to say that people should only live in DC and that places like Loudoun are growing shouldn't be happening. Tell that to everyone else living in NOVA and Maryland. Hell, I never go to even go to DC. It's too small of a city for that many people already.
03-12-2012, 06:23 PM
Location: Reston
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Originally Posted by
Caladium
It would certainly clog up the parking at IAD if the airport became a major metro lot.
It would likely be more convenient for the LoCo folks to use the Route 28 station (aka Floris) rather than IAD. If commuter parking becomes a problem at IAD, then they would probably manipulate the parking arrangements in some way.
The Floris station is really a gift from Fairfax to Loudoun. Fairfax is paying, but who do they think from Fairfax will be using it?
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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