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Old 03-16-2015, 04:22 AM
 
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No, I wouldn't. Personally, I think graveyards just make for a lot of wasted space. Cremation makes so much more sense. When you are dead - you are dead, it doesn't matter.

Besides, since they were already paved over long ago, nobody knows who they are anyway.
Some cultures prefer cremation, some prefer burial. My opinion is that we should respect the cultural practices of the indigenous people. Some people actually think the indigenous people just want to disrupt progress when in reality these people are very much moved and affected by the lack of respect for their iwi kupuna. You may not agree with their cultural practices or values but you should at least respect them.
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Old 03-16-2015, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Some cultures prefer cremation, some prefer burial. My opinion is that we should respect the cultural practices of the indigenous people. Some people actually think the indigenous people just want to disrupt progress when in reality these people are very much moved and affected by the lack of respect for their iwi kupuna. You may not agree with their cultural practices or values but you should at least respect them.
Sometimes wars get started due to beliefs or cultural values. Doesn't mean they are right. Think back 70 years ago.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:20 PM
 
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Sometimes wars get started due to beliefs or cultural values. Doesn't mean they are right. Think back 70 years ago.
Not disturbing kupunu iwi is not going to start wars. It respects and preserves the cultural values of the indigenous people. I'm the least religious person on the planet... but that doesn't mean I should write off the beliefs of others as folklore and silliness, particularly the indigenous people that we share this island with. As long as their beliefs are not infringing on my ability to maintain a fair standing in society, I have no problem standing side by side with them in full respect of their cultural beliefs.
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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If someone bought land legally they shouldn't have to deal with a bunch of bones hundreds of years later.

If you were putting in a pool and they found a bone, you'd just walk away from the property?
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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If someone bought land legally they shouldn't have to deal with a bunch of bones hundreds of years later.

If you were putting in a pool and they found a bone, you'd just walk away from the property?
If I found human remains on my property I would immediately contact the authorities. From there I would do whatever it took to oblige by state laws in place. The remains would be moved off site to a suitable location. And I'd then go out of my way to have the property blessed (hocus pocus stuff to you, I know) and would invite family members if it was even possible to ascertain kinship.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Na'alehu Hawaii/Buena Vista Colorado
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If I found human remains on my property I would immediately contact the authorities. From there I would do whatever it took to oblige by state laws in place. The remains would be moved off site to a suitable location. And I'd then go out of my way to have the property blessed (hocus pocus stuff to you, I know) and would invite family members if it was even possible to ascertain kinship.
Just wondering, do you think that you would be allowed to move the remains off of your property?

When we were getting our lot cleared to build our house, the workers uncovered a rock wall. Some of the locals thought that it was an ancient wall and called in the state DLNR. We had to hire an archeologist ($1,500), who found out that the wall was actually built in the 1970s and was not ancient. While his investigation was being conducted, we were told by the locals that our property was an ancient worship site and we would never be allowed to build there. Thank goodness the DLNR (and the locals) accepted the archeologist's findings. Although even five years later people tell us that we built on top of an ancient heiau.

We did have the lot blessed before the clearing started, and we had the house blessed before moving in. We have never seen the "thousands of night marchers" that we were threatened with.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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Just wondering, do you think that you would be allowed to move the remains off of your property?

When we were getting our lot cleared to build our house, the workers uncovered a rock wall. Some of the locals thought that it was an ancient wall and called in the state DLNR. We had to hire an archeologist ($1,500), who found out that the wall was actually built in the 1970s and was not ancient. While his investigation was being conducted, we were told by the locals that our property was an ancient worship site and we would never be allowed to build there. Thank goodness the DLNR (and the locals) accepted the archeologist's findings. Although even five years later people tell us that we built on top of an ancient heiau.

We did have the lot blessed before the clearing started, and we had the house blessed before moving in. We have never seen the "thousands of night marchers" that we were threatened with.
Yes, there are provisions for moving them to another location (or another spot on the property that is not to be built on). Bones don't necessarily have to come from Hawaiians hundreds of years ago. Maybe a missing person from a crime committed in the 70's. You never know.....
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