Do you support the new Trump ban on travel from 7 Muslim countries, even though opposed by Ohio's U.S. Senators? (Republic: cabinet, tax)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

I agree it was poorly implemented, but it should and will happen.
Get rid of the H -1B visa immed Plenty of Americans would fill these hospital residencies

You miss the point. Until now, the Cleveland Clinic has served an international patient base and to do so successfully, it needs medical professionals with foreign language skills and reliable confidence that patients can enter the country. An Arabic-speaking physician likely isn't readily available among native Americans.

Trump is impairing these two important attributes, and likely not increasing U.S. security in the process.

If you are in favor of a diminished Cleveland Clinic business model for its main Cleveland campus, continue to support Mickey Mouse Trump travel bans designed mostly to curry favor with Trump's hard-core base.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

You miss the point. Until now, the Cleveland Clinic has served an international patient base and to do so successfully, it needs medical professionals with foreign language skills and reliable confidence that patients can enter the country. An Arabic-speaking physician likely isn't readily available among native Americans.

Trump is impairing these two important attributes, and likely not increasing U.S. security in the process.

If you are in favor of a diminished Cleveland Clinic business model for its main Cleveland campus, continue to support Mickey Mouse Trump travel bans designed mostly to curry favor with Trump's hard-core base.

Total bs! Your opinions and of course labeling and name calling. Typical liberal. Start putting your fellow american citizens ahead of your illegals and non citizens.

[1watertiger]

Wrnative, do you ignore whats happening with islamic Immigrants in Sweden and other countries where the liberal leaders let them pour in?
A temporary ban of 90-120 days to vet potential immigrants is just fine! When a stranger knocks on your door, do you ask who they are or do you let them in blindly?

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Total bs! Your opinions and of course labeling and name calling. Typical liberal. Start putting your fellow american citizens ahead of your illegals and non citizens.

You haven't refuted a single thing that I said about the Cleveland Clinic. As someone who has seen several foreign-born doctors at the Clinic, your ignorance is profound, distorted by your political biases.

What a joke also that you're now arguing that the U.S. hasn't benefited extraordinarily from non-citizens, legally in this country, who often become citizens? It's been widely pointed out, for example, that Apple founder Steve Jobs' father was a Syrian immigrant.

Unlike so many Congressional Republicans, you apparently have no concerns about the way in which the Trump travel ban was drafted and executed.

Good little Trumpie.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Wrnative, do you ignore whats happening with islamic Immigrants in Sweden and other countries where the liberal leaders let them pour in?
A temporary ban of 90-120 days to vet potential immigrants is just fine! When a stranger knocks on your door, do you ask who they are or do you let them in blindly?

Anybody who has read my many comments on immigration would recognize that I champion much stricter controls on immigration than Donald Trump or the vast majority of House Republicans, who blocked comprehensive immigration reform passed by the Senate, that would have eliminated much of the illegal immigration problem in the U.S. by now.

A wall is no substitute for comprehensive immigration reform, with robust workplace enforcement against the employment of illegal aliens. Trump personally benefited from lowered wages resulting from illegal immigration, and it's no accident that casino king Sheldon Adelson is a major supporter of Trump.

I also detest the way that our laws have been changed in recent decades to allow dual citizenship and permission for Americans to serve in foreign militaries.

Donald Trump and the Republicans, nor the Democrats, have expressed any concerns about these latter changes.

Trumpies are so gullible and deluded.

[WRnative]

How a 90-day delay is life-threatening for a Syrian Christian family:

<<"You imagine, with the war going on in Syria, and he's taking himself, his wife -- his pregnant wife -- and his little daughter back to Syria, and we don't know what's going to happen in Syria, obviously," Ayham said.

George is a 37-year-old Syrian native, Christian and college-educated. He settled in Dubai after college, before the Syrian conflict broke out and obtained a work visa as a civil engineer. His brother Ayham lives in North Olmsted with his family, and is a United States citizen. His mom and dad, and younger brother live in North Olmsted and all are citizens, too. The family came from Syria to the United States in 2003, but George was too old to be considered a dependent and had to stay behind....



The family had already sold their car. He pulled his daughter out of school. George had quit his job. His visa in Dubai expires later this month, and if he can't get it back, he will be forced to return to war-torn Syria.


"Right now he doesn't know what to do," Ayham said. "You think about it, if he doesn't get his visa back in Dubai, if he doesn't get his job back in Dubai, basically his life is destroyed," he said.>>


Refugee ban leaves Syrian family bound for Cleveland in limbo | cleveland.com

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

Wrnative, do you ignore whats happening with islamic Immigrants in Sweden and other countries where the liberal leaders let them pour in?
A temporary ban of 90-120 days to vet potential immigrants is just fine! When a stranger knocks on your door, do you ask who they are or do you let them in blindly?

You apparently are watching too much Fox (really fake) News:

Bill O

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b65c8da81b4f

My problem with the Trump travel ban is that the U.S. should avoid unnecessary hardships, especially for U.S. residents, and for those who have committed scarce resources and disrupted their lives on the promise of admission to the U.S. If it's necessary to hold some persons in temporary custody until they can be more thoroughly vetted, fine.

If the Trump administration want to ban future travel from these countries, and limit refugee programs, that's apparently legal and less morally offensive.

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

You haven't refuted a single thing that I said about the Cleveland Clinic. As someone who has seen several foreign-born doctors at the Clinic, your ignorance is profound, distorted by your political biases.

What a joke also that you're now arguing that the U.S. hasn't benefited extraordinarily from non-citizens, legally in this country, who often become citizens? It's been widely pointed out, for example, that Apple founder Steve Jobs' father was a Syrian immigrant.

Unlike so many Congressional Republicans, you apparently have no concerns about the way in which the Trump travel ban was drafted and executed.

Good little Trumpie.

Dont assume and put words in my mouth.
Im saying get rid of a program that benifits non citizens amd takes jobs from Americans.
I am also saying that whatever job or challenge is needed to fill and hire, we have to look no farther than our own young bright citizens here.
Im pro immigration and in the past and present, many legal immigrants have and countinue to contribute great things.
Im against ilegal aliens, they are undermining our souvernty and sucking off our tax dollars and lowering Americas standard of living in many ways. Especially the already high unemployed black population.
Im for strict vetting on potential visitors to my country. Asking for a 90-120 ban is perfectly logical to me. Especially if they are coming from terror sponsored countries. If these countries are majority islamic ideology governments, too bad. It is what it is.
Now you should have no more misconceptions of what i said earlier.

[snatale1]

Originally Posted by notnamed

It seems that it is just outright illegal and shall be struck down in courts. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 eliminated race, ancestry, and national origin as basis for immigration.

So your point is what exactly? None of that has been done! The ban is for people traveling in from those countries passports NOT any other thing. Which is legal and within the power of the President.

REAL FUNNY how nobody complained when Obama did it multiple times, but when TRUMP does it, it's a problem.

[notnamed]

What's funny is the attempted comparisons with what Obama did with Iraq. Not in the same 'bigly' ball park.