[dsrich98]

Anybody else think that Hal Daub attacking Jim Suttle over his veiws on immigration is a little slimy? I mean I didn't think are electing a person to a Federal Law enforement post are we?? I'm not into anyone who uses the Republincan's "Southern Strategy" to scare people into voting for them.

Seems to me this kind of slimy tactic leaves such a bitter taste in my mouth that I cannot take Daub seriously. In contrast the generally positive slant of the Suttle compaign seals the deal for me.

any thoughts from the crowd?

[billiefan2000]

hal daub is desperate

just like jon blumenthal out in district 5 (those in district 5 know about the VERY ugly city council campaign there)



I pray neither one wins cause they remind me of Pete Ricketts a few years ago

(win at all costs, no matter how much smearing you do on your rival)




BTW, for the record, I am rooting for Suttle and Stohert to win (though I dont live in district 5, I hope Jean wins)

[thatguy1]

I wouldn't say he's desperate. In fact, he's kind of the front runner at this point. His ads are very unecessary though. He could have done much better selling himself rather than unselling Suttle.

[Dave1215]

Not slimy... alot of local law enforcement nationwide struggles with how active to be involved in crime enforcement with individuals that have an illegal status... some turn a blind eye and say its a national issue.... some jump in when they directly encounter but then get involved.... others actively work with national agencies.

Important consideration because each of those 3 has different impact to how the local public safety folks are used which then has a direct impact on staffing levels and budgets.

Don't see it as a Republican/Democratic things - just how they view/manage public safety philosophy.

[camping!]

I don't find it slimey at all. Suttle said that he doesn't think illegal immigration is a crime. Illegal immigration is a concern, it is a valid point.

[dsrich98]

Originally Posted by camping!

I don't find it slimey at all. Suttle said that he doesn't think illegal immigration is a crime. Illegal immigration is a concern, it is a valid point.

I think you are misquoting Suttle when you suggest he doesn't think Illegal Immigration is a crime. I believe what he has stated is that he believes that rather than use manpower and resources to prosecute these people, perhaps it would make better public policy to amend the laws so that these people can be given legal status.

In my opinion that makes a lot of sense becasue then they are taxed and counted correctly and many of issues that are caused by illegal immigration are eliminated at a fraction of the cost of trying to deport 13 million people. You bring these people into the mix and it is easier for them to assimilate and become proserous citizens contributing to the well being of the communitties they live in.

But once again, all the local efforts don't really amount to a hill of beans if the federal level does not do something to stop the flow of undocumneted people entering the country. In my opinion the best action would be to secure the border to stop the crime and freeflow of illegal goods acroos the border. But in turn we need to make it easier for for people who want to come here for legal purposes to come in a legal fashion. I think that this sentiment is much closer to the ideology that Suttle espouses.

What say you?

[camping!]

Originally Posted by dsrich98

I think you are misquoting Suttle when you suggest he doesn't think Illegal Immigration is a crime. I believe what he has stated is that he believes that rather than use manpower and resources to prosecute these people, perhaps it would make better public policy to amend the laws so that these people can be given legal status.

In my opinion that makes a lot of sense becasue then they are taxed and counted correctly and many of issues that are caused by illegal immigration are eliminated at a fraction of the cost of trying to deport 13 million people. You bring these people into the mix and it is easier for them to assimilate and become proserous citizens contributing to the well being of the communitties they live in.

But once again, all the local efforts don't really amount to a hill of beans if the federal level does not do something to stop the flow of undocumneted people entering the country. In my opinion the best action would be to secure the border to stop the crime and freeflow of illegal goods acroos the border. But in turn we need to make it easier for for people who want to come here for legal purposes to come in a legal fashion. I think that this sentiment is much closer to the ideology that Suttle espouses.

What say you?

I say you work for Suttles campaign

I also say that it really doesn't matter if Suttle believes illegal immigration is a crime or not -- the fact is, it is a crime. It is criminal for a business to knowingly hire illegal immigrants and it is a crime for illegal immigrants to work and live in a country without a visa or work permit.

Illegal immigration would work fine if it was only a matter of a few hundred thousand people. Its not. There are an estimated 8-20 million illegal immigrants living and working in the US today. ID fraud, tax fraud and driving down wages are just a few of the problems this surge of illegal immigration has brought us. And yes, American will do the jobs the illegals do -- but they do demand a living wage and benefits to do it. Businesses take advantage of illegals desperation and low standards of living (many people/families to one house to save on rent for example) by paying them far, far less then they would be expected to pay legal immigrants and citizens. By justifying this the businesses and illegals you are condemning the illegals themselves to crap wages and unsafe working conditions.

As for the sentiment lets just do an amnesty and seal the borders and no more illegal immigration problem ....... I do believe Reagan tried that in '86.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by Dave1215

Not slimy... alot of local law enforcement nationwide struggles with how active to be involved in crime enforcement with individuals that have an illegal status... some turn a blind eye and say its a national issue.... some jump in when they directly encounter but then get involved.... others actively work with national agencies.

Important consideration because each of those 3 has different impact to how the local public safety folks are used which then has a direct impact on staffing levels and budgets.

Don't see it as a Republican/Democratic things - just how they view/manage public safety philosophy.

Agreed 100%. Suttle made a VERY stupid statement regarding a VERY important issue, and Hal is taking him out behind the woodshed for it like any good politician should.

I also question how anyone could tell me with a straight face that they want Suttle over Daub. While Suttle comes off as a very nice guy to me, if you listen to him talk it becomes clear that he lacks the vision (among other things) to continue taking Omaha to the next level.

Hal Daub is the one who really put Omaha on this track we're on now. I'd be ecstatic to have that again.

[McBain II]

Originally Posted by dsrich98

I think you are misquoting Suttle when you suggest he doesn't think Illegal Immigration is a crime. I believe what he has stated is that he believes that rather than use manpower and resources to prosecute these people, perhaps it would make better public policy to amend the laws so that these people can be given legal status.

Suttle was very clear. "We need to go to the source of the problem and quit making criminals out of the companies, quit making criminals out of the people, however they might come across the border."

He wants to quit making criminals out of the criminals.

Also, how about the claims that Suttle has repeatedly voted to cut funding for the police department and against hiring new police officers? How is that anywhere near acceptable?

[dsrich98]

Originally Posted by Bosco55David

Suttle was very clear. "We need to go to the source of the problem and quit making criminals out of the companies, quit making criminals out of the people, however they might come across the border."

He wants to quit making criminals out of the criminals.

Also, how about the claims that Suttle has repeatedly voted to cut funding for the police department and against hiring new police officers? How is that anywhere near acceptable?

Aren't we facing a budget problem shouldn't all issues be on the table? I personally don't think that's the place to start but it needs to be open to discussion right?? That's a huge part of the budget.

BTW ... I don't work for Suttle. I'm just offended by Daubs attempts to scare people into thinking if Suttle is mayor their will be more Mexicans in their neighborhoods, preety shameful if you ask me.