New Baseball Stadium or Not ?? (Omaha, Creighton: sales, how much, motels)

mattpoulsen · 05-14-2007, 08:16 PM

Mattden,

Only you could possibly tie the replacement of Rosenblatt stadium with "the few people who drive on rural roads". I'm just laughing at that one.

jesse--james · 05-14-2007, 11:14 PM

Temporary Bleachers state of the art???? A recent study showed that an investment in Rosenblatt of less than HALF the amount to build a new stadium would make it a state of the art facility that would satisfy all the CWS needs for years to come. Why not leave it where it is? Omaha is a "20 minute town" and the current stadium is nestled right off the interstate. Having it next door to the ZOO gives visitors a chance at some family entertainment.

Sure it would be great to have a new stadium, it would also be nice if it rained gumdrops and we all pooped hersey kisses. But this city has a HUGE mortgage on the Quest center that has to be paid in the coming years - and building a baseball stadium that is going to be used one week out of the year when we already have a fine stadium is NOT going to get that debt paid off!!

DTO Luv · 05-14-2007, 11:40 PM

You obviously don't know how things work. The stadium itself won't pay for itself. What will pay for it is the taxes created from NEW development around the stadium that CAN'T happen around Rosenblatt.

The $25,000,000.00 would not make Rosenblatt state of the art. It's just patch work. We would have to spend another $25,000,000.00 in a few years to still do patch work when we could get a new stadium.

We need to strike while the iron is hot. We can't take our relationship with the NCAA for granted. They do want a new stadium. It's the "Road to Omaha" not the "Road to Rosenblatt". Also Dennis Pope, the head of NCAA football and baseball championships, is leaving in 2013. He is as pro Omaha as we can get. The new guy might be less willing to keep the CWS in Omaha. You never know. The new stadium would guarantee a lock on the CWS until 2020, well past when Pope's successor could consider moving the CWS.

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Also the stadium would not sit empty except one week a year. The Royals would still play there too. Minor league teams have seen attendances increase with new ballparks.

You really contradict yourself james. You say it's $100 to go to a Royals game, yet encourage people to go to the family friendly zoo. Which are you going to do? Go to the Zoo or the baseball game? Wouldn't you be too broke to attend the Zoo afterwards?

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There is such a thing as collapsable, state of the art seating. They use it in Olympic venues. We all know the Olympics have low standards too.

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Another thing to consider is that Mike Fahey is a very frugal man. He voted against a more expensive Marriott Hotel over the cheaper Hilton at the Qwest Center (something I'll never get over.) But he has shown financial restraint throughout his administration. If a new stadium wasn't neccessary, he wouldn't even consider it. If their wasn't a way to pay for it without tax dollars he wouldn't consider it either.

jesse--james · 05-14-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DTO Luv

You obviously don't know how things work. The stadium itself won't pay for itself. What will pay for it is the taxes created from NEW development around the stadium that CAN'T happen around Rosenblatt. The quest center tax projections aren't coming to light - that's why they keep asking for taxpayers to foot more of the bill -- and the REAL kick in the pants isn't going to happen until around 2010 - when those bills come due -- it's going to be average Joe homeowner taking it in the pants!

The $25,000,000.00 would not make Rosenblatt state of the art. It's just patch work. We would have to spend another $25,000,000.00 in a few years to still do patch work when we could get a new stadium. -- the $25,000,000 would satisfy the NCAA. Sure if you offer a new stadium they are going to say they want it, but the improvements to Rosenblatt are good enough.

We need to strike while the iron is hot. We can't take our relationship with the NCAA for granted. They do want a new stadium. It's the "Road to Omaha" not the "Road to Rosenblatt". Also Dennis Pope, the head of NCAA football and baseball championships, is leaving in 2013. He is as pro Omaha as we can get. The new guy might be less willing to keep the CWS in Omaha. You never know. The new stadium would guarantee a lock on the CWS until 2020, well past when Pope's successor could consider moving the CWS. We could build the stadium and still lose the CWS in the future. -- 8 years of revenue from the CWS wont' pay for a staduim>

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Also the stadium would not sit empty except one week a year. The Royals would still play there too. Minor league teams have seen attendances increase with new ballparks. Only the "appearance" of a full stadium would benefit the Royals - because the new stadium would be smaller. Proof?? Maverick Hockey!!! Was THRIVING in the Civic Auditorium -- but since they moved to Quest they have seen such a steep drop in attendance that the team itself is under the threat of the budget chopping block unless attendance picks up.

You really contradict yourself james. You say it's $100 to go to a Royals game, yet encourage people to go to the family friendly zoo. Which are you going to do? Go to the Zoo or the baseball game? Wouldn't you be too broke to attend the Zoo afterwards? Well most people in Omaha have Zoo passes so hopping over to the zoo costs no more to those families, and I was talking about luring the vistors from the CWS across the street to see our fine zoo.

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There is such a thing as collapsable, state of the art seating. They use it in Olympic venues. We all know the Olympics have low standards too.

A flimsy seat is a flimsy seat.
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Another thing to consider is that Mike Fahey is a very frugal man. He voted against a more expensive Marriott Hotel over the cheaper Hilton at the Qwest Center (something I'll never get over.) But he has shown financial restraint throughout his administration. If a new stadium wasn't neccessary, he wouldn't even consider it. If their wasn't a way to pay for it without tax dollars he wouldn't consider it either.

(pinky to lips like Dr. Evil) Riiiiiiiiiiiiight........

WARNYOU · 05-15-2007, 07:13 AM

There is such a thing as collapsable, state of the art seating.

That is so Omaha REDNECK thinking......."We'll just pull out a few more samsonite's for the the extra folks".... "Would you like a padded chair sir?" "That will be $5.00 More"

DTO Luv · 05-15-2007, 07:44 AM

Did either of you read the original World Herald story? They did a seat comparison of what the new, collapsable seats would look like. The new seats, even if they are collapsable, will be an upgrade from what is currently at Rosenblatt.

How is this a redneck thing to do? Many major venues around the world use collapsable seating. WARNYOU laments the loss of Dingerville. THAT was redneck. Hanging out in an RV drinking in a parking lot. I can almost hear "Freebird" in the background as I typed that.

WARNYOU · 05-15-2007, 08:43 AM

That fact of the matter is about Dingerville, it made history for Omaha.
It was always featured on the National Press as a fun story about the CWS. It was part of the CWS as much as Zesto's is,( which also gets National Press)
Drinking Beer in the parking lots during the games is just what happens even in the upper lots on the south side. REDNECK sure it is so what. It's all part of Omaha/CWS culture........... Diverse. I'm for diversity.

As Far as the new Ball Park We do not need it, all it is, it's a flavor of the month topic for Omaha Development. It will not happen. I'll eat my Mack truck baseball hat on the home plate if it gets built.

mattpoulsen · 05-15-2007, 12:26 PM

If Mile High stadium and Candlestick park can be replaced so can Rosenblatt! Times change and updates have to be made...period. If we don't do something we'll lose the CWS...period. With out the CWS Rosenblatt is worthless anyway. It may be hard to hear but that is absolutely the truth.

jesse--james · 05-15-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mattpoulsen

If Mile High stadium and Candlestick park can be replaced so can Rosenblatt! Times change and updates have to be made...period. If we don't do something we'll lose the CWS...period. With out the CWS Rosenblatt is worthless anyway. It may be hard to hear but that is absolutely the truth.

Ummmm... Those stadiums have major league PRO TEAMS connected to them. This is not the case here. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.

mattpoulsen · 05-16-2007, 12:08 AM

No, I'm listing two stadiums that had a deep rooted tradition and attachment with their respective communities. People were attached to them...just like Rosenblatt! The point is Rosenblatt will be, and eventually needs to, retired in the same way stadiums around the U.S. are. It'll be hard to let it go, but we need to move on. Its more like comparing Fugi Apples to Gala Apples!