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Old 12-04-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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You all are caught up in the details. He was here illegally x5. If he wasn't in Ca Kate wouldn't have been killed

I hear every day cops are not responding to calls and now a illegal alien has shot and killed a woman and found not guilty. Citizens aren't safe in Ca, this is no mans land we're on our own.
Facts.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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And if a BLM Ranger hadn't left his gun loaded with a round chambered and unsecured in his vehicle she wouldn't be dead. If ICE had provided a judicial warrant to hold Zarate rather than a request to detain she wouldn't be dead...
Why would CA just let him go? Felon, 5x deportee? Why? Why couldn't they hold him?

Sanctuary city policies are dangerous and get people killed.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Why would CA just let him go? Felon, 5x deportee? Why? Why couldn't they hold him?

Sanctuary city policies are dangerous and get people killed.
Because they had no lawful grounds to hold him. It went to the legal dept who ruled there was no grounds. So they let him go. To do otherwise would have been unlawful. Do you really want a Sheriff's Dept that routinely and knowledgeably violates the law?
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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Because they had no lawful grounds to hold him. It went to the legal dept who ruled there was no grounds. So they let him go. To do otherwise would have been unlawful. Do you really want a Sheriff's Dept that routinely and knowledgeably violates the law?
Right now we have one that dosn't enforce the law. Why do I have to pick my poison?? God I hate this state...
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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Because they had no lawful grounds to hold him. It went to the legal dept who ruled there was no grounds. So they let him go. To do otherwise would have been unlawful.
Are you kidding? This was his 6th time ILLEGALLY in the country, he had been deported 5 times before because he was considered a DANGEROUS FELON. Him being here was already unlawful.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Are you kidding? This was his 6th time ILLEGALLY in the country, he had been deported 5 times before because he was considered a DANGEROUS FELON. Him being here was already unlawful.
He served his term for his 6th illegal entry and the Feds chose to send him to SF rather than deport him. There is a good question here...who was stupider...the Feds for sending a highly deportable person to SF on a 20 year old Pot bust or SF for asking for him?

He was not considered dangerous or violent. Low level drug dealer with no violent crime arrests. If he was considered violent SF would have held him.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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he Feds for sending a highly deportable person to SF on a 20 year old Pot bust or SF for asking for him?
Yes, right, no criminals should be sent to SF because they will just be allowed to go free. But what's your point? That SF has no credible justice system? Then you're not really proving a point that SF local officials aren't responsible for Kate Steinle's death.

The fact is if SFPD didn't have a stated policy to outright REFUSE to honor ICE detainers, Kate would be alive right now.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Yes, right, no criminals should be sent to SF because they will just be allowed to go free. But what's your point? That SF has no credible justice system? Then you're not really proving a point that SF local officials aren't responsible for Kate Steinle's death.

The fact is if SFPD didn't have a stated policy to outright REFUSE to honor ICE detainers, Kate would be alive right now.
That a 20 year old pot complaint is going no where in CA...SF or elsewhere. Fact of life. Yet SF asked for the guy and the Feds provided him and then exactly what you would expect on such a situation happened.

I believe SF Sheriff honors any Federal Warrant. So all ICE needed was to get one. Simple huh? And I believe SF will hold a violent felon for ICE.
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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Why would CA just let him go? Felon, 5x deportee? Why? Why couldn't they hold him?

Sanctuary city policies are dangerous and get people killed.
Because it was a 20 year old unprosecutable possession of marijuana case, and ICE did not provide the jail with a judicial warrant, they provided a "request for detainer", critical to this is the word "request", not order or judicial warrant, but rather "request".

This is on ICE, they know that these detainer requests do not provide a jail with a legal authority to hold a prisoner yet they refuse to pick up a phone, call a judge, have the judge sign a warrant and electronically transmit it to the jail, that would take 10 minutes tops.
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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So all ICE needed was to get one. Simple huh? And I believe SF will hold a violent felon for ICE.
both of those statements are correct
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